Global or Globull warming?

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     t8 
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    Source: http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs….-part-1

    A common theme in science fiction involves a highly advanced society in which people no longer understand the basis of science and technology. In such societies science is often just a series of beliefs that are to be accepted without question like in a religion.

    The Star Trek episode “Spock's Brain” dealt with a society in which the people had little understanding of anything, even though the women lived in a climate controlled environment underground with sophisticated technology that required Mr. Spock's brain to operate. Installing Spock's brain had required one of the women to put on a machine that temporarily provided her with the knowledge to accomplish the task. After completing the task she forgot everything.

    “For the World Is Hollow…” was another such episode with a priestess in charge of the knowledge taking orders from a machine viewed as a god.

    Is our society moving in that direction? Is science on our planet becoming just another religion possibly a primitive religion based on a wizard's magic?

    Some people who call themselves scientists claim that slight changes in the minor atmospheric gas carbon dioxide (CO2) can affect the temperature of the entire atmosphere.even though CO2 comprises less than 400 parts per million (0.04%) of the atmosphere. That sounds more like magic rather science. That's not the tail wagging the dog. That's a few hairs on the tail wagging the dog. The earth's land and water is the dog and the atmosphere is it's tail.

    If the claim by the priests of global warming that what they are doing is accepted practice by modern science, then science has become nothing more than a form of religion. It is based on acceptance of beliefs by faith rather than rigorous examination of physical reality through experimentation and observation.

    Real science used to be based on verification through experimentation and observation. Global Warming “science” is based on acceptance of long disproved 19th Century beliefs.

    French polymath Jean Baptiste Fourier first suggested that greenhouses were heated by trapping infrared radiation (IR) in the early 19th Century. He then suggested that the atmosphere was heated by gas molecules such as carbon dioxide and water vapor absorbing IR. http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/fourier_1827/fourier_1827.html#text http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

    Physicist R.W. Wood tested this hypothesis in 1909 with an experiment involving identical greenhouses and demonstrated that the greenhouse that trapped IR was the same temperature as one that didn't trap IR. The experiment disproved Fourier's theory.
    http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/wood_rw.1909.html

    Global warming believers rely on consensus which is a political concept not a scientific one. Real scientists rely on facts and will abandon a theory when evidence contradicts the theory. During the 19th Century the consensus among physicists was that atoms were the smallest particles of matter and could not be further divided. They abandoned that consensus when Sir J.J. Thomson demonstrated the existence of the electron and suggested the existence of two other charged particles he called “protons” and “neutrons”.
    http://www.visionlearning.com/library/module_viewer.php?mid=50

    A more recent consensus involved a belief that the human brain stopped developing new cells. Research over the last few decades has demonstrated that the human brain continues to produce new brain cells through it's life.

    Real science is mathematically rigorous. Global Warming “science” is mathematically ridiculous. The only evidence for what they call global warming is something called an average global temperature.

    “It is impossible to talk about a single temperature for something as complicated as the climate of Earth,” according to thermodynamics expert Professor Bjarne Andresen, of the Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen. “A temperature can be defined only for a homogeneous system. Furthermore, the climate is not governed by a single temperature. Rather, differences of temperatures drive the processes and create the storms, sea currents, etc. which make up the climate.” http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070315101129.htm http://www.fys.ku.dk/%7Eandresen/BAhome/welcome.html

    In real science, including the social sciences, averages went out with slide rules. Averages cover up too much information. For example, the numbers “0” and “100” have the same average as the numbers “20” and “80” but if those temperatures represent temperature ranges for different areas, those areas would have different climates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_rule

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     Stu 
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    Quote (t8 @ April 12 2010,13:56)

    Quote (Stu @ April 10 2010,10:58)
    How so?

    Stuart


    The fact that you even said that reinforces my comment.


    Are you speaking in tongues, t8? Strange that I can understand each individual word, if not how they relate to what went before.

    Stuart

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     Stu 
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    Quote (t8 @ April 12 2010,14:00)
    Is science on our planet becoming just another religion possibly a primitive religion based on a wizard's magic?


    Not if your post is anything to go by: it would describe the fantasy world of the global warming denier, which would appear to include logical fallacies like that which suggests that because 19th century physicists did not have a complete picture of the atom, therefore scientists are wrong about global warming.

    Stuart

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     Stu 
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    This is not an argument for or against evidence, but I think it relevant following t8's post above.

    From the Holy Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial#Public_sector

    In 1994, according to a leaked memo, the Republican strategist Frank Luntz advised members of the Republican Party, with regard to climate change, that “you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue” and “challenge the science” by “recruiting experts who are sympathetic to your view.”In 2006, Luntz stated that he still believes “back [in] '97, '98, the science was uncertain”, but he now agrees with the scientific consensus.

    In 2005, the New York Times reported that Philip Cooney, a former lobbyist and “climate team leader” at the American Petroleum Institute, had “repeatedly edited government climate reports in ways that play down links between such emissions and global warming, according to internal documents.” Sharon Begley reported in Newsweek that Cooney “edited a 2002 report on climate science by sprinkling it with phrases such as 'lack of understanding' and 'considerable uncertainty.'” Cooney reportedly removed an entire section on climate in one report, whereupon an oil lobbyist sent him a fax saying “You are doing a great job.” Cooney announced his resignation two days after the story of his tampering with scientific reports broke, but a few days later it was announced that Cooney would take up a position with ExxonMobil.

    Speaking of those who base their lives on “a series of beliefs that are to be accepted without question like in a religion”, by believing in a religion, maybe the religious here should be considering signing up with one of these:

    http://christiansandclimate.org/home/
    http://www.christianaid.org.uk/whatwedo/issues/climate_change.aspx
    http://www.cws.org.nz/take-action/climate-change
    http://www.operationnoah.org/
    http://www.tearfund.org/Campaig….nge.htm

    Should you repent of your climate change sins?
    http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/9825

    Stuart

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    In New Zealand we still have lots of trees and the climate doesn't appear to be getting warmer IMO.

    Nor do you appear to be getting older. But one day you'll die.

    I look forward to Canada getting warmer.

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    Canada will benefit from a sea passage (that competes with the Panama Canal) opening up for a longer part of the year. I saw a news article on it and the US wanted control of it.

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    If New Zealand got warmer it might curb some from moving to Australia. About 10% of kiwis live in Australia.

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    Quote (t8 @ April 13 2010,13:03)
    Canada will benefit from a sea passage (that competes with the Panama Canal) opening up for a longer part of the year. I saw a news article on it and the US wanted control of it.


    I know. I was going to mention that same thing. To me, it seems ridiculous that some say there is no global warming. You can dispute that it is human caused, but from where I'm sitting, (on ice) I don't see how you can wonder whether the planet is warming up.

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 26 2009,17:50)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 27 2009,08:48)

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    Hi t8

    Global warming is one of the biggest scams going on today.

    Unfortunately people like one of our own “Al Gore” who is a huge leader in the movement is making millions off of his fraudulent Campaign.

    The hypocrisy of the movement is amazing seeing how that most of the supporters want us to give up certain things while they do nothing to make a difference like selling their gas guzzlers or giving up eating meat so that we do not have to have so many cows farting in the air!  :D

    Amazing!

    WJ


    You can't be serious. You call Global warming a scam and what evidence do you have?

    You are quite the humourous


    BD

    Where do you live?

    Here is the middle eastern states there have been new records of cold and snow storms and blizzards.

    Whats funny is the Global warming wackos acually claim that these cold spells and record breaking cold temperatures are part of the Global warming trend.

    It don't take a rocket scientist to figure that out! :D

    WJ

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 14 2010,09:55)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 26 2009,17:50)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 27 2009,08:48)

    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 26 2009,16:24)


    Hi t8

    Global warming is one of the biggest scams going on today.

    Unfortunately people like one of our own “Al Gore” who is a huge leader in the movement is making millions off of his fraudulent Campaign.

    The hypocrisy of the movement is amazing seeing how that most of the supporters want us to give up certain things while they do nothing to make a difference like selling their gas guzzlers or giving up eating meat so that we do not have to have so many cows farting in the air!  :D

    Amazing!

    WJ


    You can't be serious. You call Global warming a scam and what evidence do you have?

    You are quite the humourous


    BD

    Where do you live?

    Here is the middle eastern states there have been new records of cold and snow storms and blizzards.

    Whats funny is the Global warming wackos acually claim that these cold spells and record breaking cold temperatures are part of the Global warming trend.

    It don't take a rocket scientist to figure that out! :D

    WJ


    Climate change is effected by global warming

    Science
    For over the past 200 years, the burning of fossil fuels, such as coal and oil, and deforestation have caused the concentrations of heat-trapping “greenhouse gases” to increase significantly in our atmosphere. These gases prevent heat from escaping to space, somewhat like the glass panels of a greenhouse.

    Greenhouse gases are necessary to life as we know it, because they keep the planet's surface warmer than it otherwise would be. But, as the concentrations of these gases continue to increase in the atmosphere, the Earth's temperature is climbing above past levels. According to NOAA and NASA data, the Earth's average surface temperature has increased by about 1.2 to 1.4ºF in the last 100 years. The eight warmest years on record (since 1850) have all occurred since 1998, with the warmest year being 2005. Most of the warming in recent decades is very likely the result of human activities. Other aspects of the climate are also changing such as rainfall patterns, snow and ice cover, and sea level.

    If greenhouse gases continue to increase, climate models predict that the average temperature at the Earth's surface could increase from 3.2 to 7.2ºF above 1990 levels by the end of this century. Scientists are certain that human activities are changing the composition of the atmosphere, and that increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases will change the planet's climate. But they are not sure by how much it will change, at what rate it will change, or what the exact effects will be. See the Science and Health and Environmental Effects sections of this site for more detail, or review the answers to some frequent science questions.

    http://epa.gov/climatechange/basicinfo.html

    Now WJ, just think of it this way. The more water that is evaporated and then dispersed back into the earth the more drastic things like snow and rain will be in some places.

    we know that God seperated the water above from the waters below so if the waters below pick up pace because of heat then they will arise into the atmosphere and get blown to places where there will be increasef rain and snowfall.

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     Stu 
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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 14 2010,09:55)
    Whats funny is the Global warming wackos acually claim that these cold spells and record breaking cold temperatures are part of the Global warming trend.

    It don't take a rocket scientist to figure that out! :D

    WJ


    If you did know something about science, say for example the fact that the UK will freeze if global warming changes ocean currents and disrupts the gulf stream, then perhaps you would be able to figure these things out.

    Stuart

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     t8 
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    Global Warming suggests that there will be more energy in the weather system and therefore greater extremes and more violent storms. Whether it is true or not, even the bible suggests that the end times will be wrought with floods, droughts, famines, etc.

    So both Global Warming and prophecy predict the same thing.

    I guess what is debatable is the cause. Is it man, the sun, the earth? Popular theory says man is the cause, but there is also some reasons to believe that the sun is the cause. After all, there are now a number of storms on Jupiter, (not just one Great Red Spot) and some say that this hints at climate change, and if so, then that is obviously not a man-made cause, leading to a possibility that man is not the main cause on Earth either.
    http://www.usatoday.com/tech….t_x.htm

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    I know this is sort of off topic but (I cant find anywhere else to put it)

    A quarter of a million deaths from earthquakes in the past 4 mounths

    Earthquakes occuring in populated areas

    Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

    Have a look at this graph:

    http://www.thehorizonproject.com/earthquakes.cfm

    #187884
     Stu 
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    While the obvious thing to do when confronted with statistics like these is to slaughter a goat, I believe we should turn to the Holy Wikipedia, which says this:

    The number of seismic stations has increased from about 350 in 1931 to many thousands today. As a result, many more earthquakes are reported than in the past, but this is because of the vast improvement in instrumentation, rather than an increase in the number of earthquakes. The USGS estimates that, since 1900, there have been an average of 18 major earthquakes (magnitude 7.0-7.9) and one great earthquake (magnitude 8.0 or greater) per year, and that this average has been relatively stable. In recent years, the number of major earthquakes per year has decreased, although this is thought likely to be a statistical fluctuation rather than a systematic trend. More detailed statistics on the size and frequency of earthquakes is available from the USGS.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake

    Stuart

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