Global or Globull warming?

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     terraricca 
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    stu

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    The more we see other species go extinct the more we are threatened by the collapse of the ecosystem on which we depend. There is plenty that is unique about humans, but also really there is nothing that is unique about us when considered from the point of view of the diversity of species.

    evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity,

    Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,

    and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT

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    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03)
    evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity,

    Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,

    and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT  ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT


    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be. If you think differently then you think wrongly.

    But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live. We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.

    Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.

    Stuart

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    Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03)
    evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity,

    Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,

    and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT  ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT


    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be.  If you think differently then you think wrongly.

    But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live.  We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.

    Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.

    Stuart


    stu

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    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be

    so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)

    this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money :D )you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .

    #305293
     Stu 
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    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51)

    Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03)
    evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity,

    Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,

    and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT  ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT


    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be.  If you think differently then you think wrongly.

    But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live.  We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.

    Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.

    Stuart


    stu

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    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be

    so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)  

    this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment  when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money :D )you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .


    I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution. We are driving other species to extinction though.

    Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect. That is a product of natural selection too. We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.

    Stuart

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Stu @ July 09 2012,05:22)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51)

    Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03)
    evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity,

    Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,

    and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT  ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT


    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be.  If you think differently then you think wrongly.

    But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live.  We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.

    Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.

    Stuart


    stu

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    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be

    so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)  

    this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment  when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money :D )you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .


    I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution.  We are driving other species to extinction though.

    Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect.  That is a product of natural selection too.  We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.

    Stuart


    stu

    it seems to me that “your natural selection ,his as good as saying any animal that breads as to bread to live ,and eat and drink to survive,

    and I agree that their is little that we can influence this because it means dead if we stop doing it .there is no thinking needed here,

    if this is evolution it would be better not have said anything about this no thinker,

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     Stu 
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    Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2012,01:57)

    Quote (Stu @ July 09 2012,05:22)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51)

    Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03)
    evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity,

    Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,

    and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT  ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT


    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be.  If you think differently then you think wrongly.

    But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live.  We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.

    Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.

    Stuart


    stu

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    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be

    so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)  

    this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment  when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money :D )you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .


    I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution.  We are driving other species to extinction though.

    Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect.  That is a product of natural selection too.  We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.

    Stuart


    stu

    it seems to me that “your natural selection ,his as good as saying any animal that breads as to bread to live ,and eat  and drink to survive,

    and I agree that their is little that we can influence this because it means dead if we stop doing it .there is no thinking needed here,

    if this is evolution it would be better not have said anything about this no thinker,


    Evolution is not about individuals, it works on populations. When a particular trait gives an advantage to either survival or reproductive success, or both, then it will become more frequent in the population.

    It is true that you would have to survive in order to pass on that advantageous trait to your offspring, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to die if you don't have the trait. It depends what it is.

    Stuart

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Stu @ July 11 2012,01:22)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2012,01:57)

    Quote (Stu @ July 09 2012,05:22)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51)

    Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03)
    evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity,

    Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,

    and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT  ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT


    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be.  If you think differently then you think wrongly.

    But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live.  We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.

    Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.

    Stuart


    stu

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    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be

    so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)  

    this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment  when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money :D )you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .


    I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution.  We are driving other species to extinction though.

    Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect.  That is a product of natural selection too.  We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.

    Stuart


    stu

    it seems to me that “your natural selection ,his as good as saying any animal that breads as to bread to live ,and eat  and drink to survive,

    and I agree that their is little that we can influence this because it means dead if we stop doing it .there is no thinking needed here,

    if this is evolution it would be better not have said anything about this no thinker,


    Evolution is not about individuals, it works on populations.  When a particular trait gives an advantage to either survival or reproductive success, or both, then it will become more frequent in the population.

    It is true that you would have to survive in order to pass on that advantageous trait to your offspring, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to die if you don't have the trait.  It depends what it is.

    Stuart


    stu

    The theory for evolution related to selection could be true even in creation ,but it could not include men ,because the independant thinking at will ,within his nature,

    so for this reason men as to be created in a separated structure from all other creation ,and build on earth just the way we basicly are today ,according to the existing environmental condition of that time .

    #305763
     Stu 
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    Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2012,04:31)

    Quote (Stu @ July 11 2012,01:22)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2012,01:57)

    Quote (Stu @ July 09 2012,05:22)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51)

    Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03)
    evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity,

    Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,

    and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT  ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT


    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be.  If you think differently then you think wrongly.

    But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live.  We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.

    Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.

    Stuart


    stu

    Quote
    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be

    so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)  

    this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment  when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money :D )you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .


    I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution.  We are driving other species to extinction though.

    Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect.  That is a product of natural selection too.  We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.

    Stuart


    stu

    it seems to me that “your natural selection ,his as good as saying any animal that breads as to bread to live ,and eat  and drink to survive,

    and I agree that their is little that we can influence this because it means dead if we stop doing it .there is no thinking needed here,

    if this is evolution it would be better not have said anything about this no thinker,


    Evolution is not about individuals, it works on populations.  When a particular trait gives an advantage to either survival or reproductive success, or both, then it will become more frequent in the population.

    It is true that you would have to survive in order to pass on that advantageous trait to your offspring, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to die if you don't have the trait.  It depends what it is.

    Stuart


    stu

    The theory for evolution related to selection could be true even in creation ,but it could not include men ,because the independant thinking at will ,within his nature,

    so for this reason men as to be created in a separated structure from all other creation ,and build on earth just the way we basicly are today ,according to the existing environmental condition of that time .


    You are welcome to believe fantasy stories if you want.

    Read your post carefully: you say you gave a reason, but you didn't actually.

    What you would have to do is explain WHY natural selection can't produce independent thinking at will (whatever that is).

    You haven't, and the claim is wrong anyway.

    Stuart

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Stu @ July 13 2012,21:26)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2012,04:31)

    Quote (Stu @ July 11 2012,01:22)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2012,01:57)

    Quote (Stu @ July 09 2012,05:22)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51)

    Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03)
    evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity,

    Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,

    and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT  ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT


    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be.  If you think differently then you think wrongly.

    But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live.  We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.

    Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.

    Stuart


    stu

    Quote
    Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be

    so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)  

    this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment  when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money :D )you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .


    I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution.  We are driving other species to extinction though.

    Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect.  That is a product of natural selection too.  We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.

    Stuart


    stu

    it seems to me that “your natural selection ,his as good as saying any animal that breads as to bread to live ,and eat  and drink to survive,

    and I agree that their is little that we can influence this because it means dead if we stop doing it .there is no thinking needed here,

    if this is evolution it would be better not have said anything about this no thinker,


    Evolution is not about individuals, it works on populations.  When a particular trait gives an advantage to either survival or reproductive success, or both, then it will become more frequent in the population.

    It is true that you would have to survive in order to pass on that advantageous trait to your offspring, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to die if you don't have the trait.  It depends what it is.

    Stuart


    stu

    The theory for evolution related to selection could be true even in creation ,but it could not include men ,because the independant thinking at will ,within his nature,

    so for this reason men as to be created in a separated structure from all other creation ,and build on earth just the way we basicly are today ,according to the existing environmental condition of that time .


    You are welcome to believe fantasy stories if you want.

    Read your post carefully: you say you gave a reason, but you didn't actually.

    What you would have to do is explain WHY natural selection can't produce independent thinking at will (whatever that is).

    You haven't, and the claim is wrong anyway.

    Stuart


    stu

    if I can understand it you also can but you are inventing reasons that do not appear to be there ,take a deep breath and try again
    with a willing nature and mind

    #305769
     Stu 
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    Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2012,14:35)
    You are welcome to believe fantasy stories if you want.

    Read your post carefully: you say you gave a reason, but you didn't actually.

    What you would have to do is explain WHY natural selection can't produce independent thinking at will (whatever that is).

    You haven't, and the claim is wrong anyway.

    Stuart[/quote]
    stu

    if I can understand it you also can but you are inventing reasons that do not appear to be there ,take a deep breath and try again
    with a willing nature and mind


    So in order to accept your fantasy view of the world I have to disregard all my previous knowledge and just accept your claims?

    That sounds about right.

    Stuart

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Stu @ July 13 2012,21:48)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2012,14:35)
    You are welcome to believe fantasy stories if you want.

    Read your post carefully: you say you gave a reason, but you didn't actually.

    What you would have to do is explain WHY natural selection can't produce independent thinking at will (whatever that is).

    You haven't, and the claim is wrong anyway.

    Stuart


    stu

    if I can understand it you also can but you are inventing reasons that do not appear to be there ,take a deep breath and try again
    with a willing nature and mind[/quote]
    So in order to accept your fantasy view of the world I have to disregard all my previous knowledge and just accept your claims?

    That sounds about right.

    Stuart


    stu

    i this not what you ask from me ???

    #787832
     t8 
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    Global Warming spokesperson gets debunked

    #787858
     princess 
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    media, 28 seconds in and the subtitles have a gang rape, side-effects are dangerous, sex abuse scandal.

     

    #787860
     kerwin 
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    To whomever may be concerned;

    1) Climate change is a given.  The idea that world has a static climate is disproved by the fact the climate is always changing.

    2) Man effects climate: Cities are warmer that the surrounding territory.

    As far as I can see the change is only in a local area.

    1) Media argues that global warming is real because the average temperatures are going up in some areas.  This is flawed logic as it is making an all-claim based on some examples.  One exception disproves the case.

    2) Media argues that global warming is real because the average world temperature is increasing. The logic is flawed because all this means is the warming increase in some areas is large of outweigh even warming decrease in other areas.  The existence of any cooling areas falsifies the global warming hypothesis.

    These seem tells us but media does a poor job of reporting.

     

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     t8 
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