May 15, 2018 at 10:56 am #826214GeneBalthropParticipant
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Nick…Is that not the same thing i and Jodi are saying, we are responsible for the sins in our lifes and with the spirit of God helping us “we” should work to cast evil out of our lives.
We simply can’t blame our sins on someone else, we must try to deal with them ourselves with thw spirit and help and grace, the Father gives us. I still have things to overcome, it seems to be a lifetime struggle for me. But i don’t give up brother. If I fall short in something I as the Father to forgive me, there are lot of thing he has delievered me from already, so i continue to look to him for forgiveness and help when i fail. I also hope we all will pray for one another, remember what it says , “the prayers of the rightious avails much”.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..geneMay 15, 2018 at 11:03 am #826216
Resist Satan and he will flee from you.
Beware of the doctrines of demons that spew from the mouths of men.May 15, 2018 at 11:06 am #826217
Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF the living God.
Yours?May 15, 2018 at 11:09 am #826218
We are responsible.
Yes we will be judged by our fruit.
What we done through the Spirit counts for us.
What comes from darkness counts against us in the end.May 17, 2018 at 2:45 am #826305GeneBalthropParticipant
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Nick…yes brother, may the grace of God our Father, and savior remain on us both now and forever.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..geneMay 18, 2018 at 8:15 pm #826448
Grace and peace to you and yours.June 6, 2018 at 5:10 am #830244
I am going to give my understanding of the below passage, and then I am curious to hear your understanding!
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
First of all we know that from the OT that Beelzebub is a FAKE god, who God proclaimed to us, has no powers, he cannot do good nor evil. We also know from scripture that time and time again God’s people turned to heathen beliefs, that they even created their own beliefs by combining theirs with the heathens. Obviously with the mention of these men speaking as if the fake god Beelzebub was real, they gave way to the creation of false doctrines.
Jesus knew their thoughts and made these men sound like fools. How can Jesus be working for the adversary Beelzebub who is believed to cast demons for evil sake, if he is healing people from demons? Jesus says that Beelzebub’s kingdom would be divided against itself, and it would not stand, so what an absurd accusation!
Jesus said that he casts out devils- daimonions/unclean spirits, by the Spirit of God, and by this you know the kingdom of God has come to you.
Scripture tells us that to God there is a time to curse and a time to HEAL, and Jesus was sent to heal.
Deuteronomy 32: 39 “See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.
Job 33: 14 For God does speak—now one way, now another— though no one perceives it. 15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falls on people as they slumber in their beds, 16 he may speak in their ears and terrify them with warnings, 17 to turn them from wrongdoing and keep them from pride, 18 to preserve them from the pit, their lives from perishing by the sword. 19 “Or someone may be chastened on a bed of pain with constant distress in their bones, 20 so that their body finds food repulsive and their soul loathes the choicest meal. 21 Their flesh wastes away to nothing, and their bones, once hidden, now stick out. 22 They draw near to the pit, and their life to the messengers of death. 23 Yet if there is an angel at their side, a messenger, one out of a thousand, sent to tell them how to be upright, 24 and he is gracious to that person and says to God, ‘Spare them from going down to the pit; I have found a ransom for them— 25 let their flesh be renewed like a child’s; let them be restored as in the days of their youth’— 26 then that person can pray to God and find favor with him, they will see God’s face and shout for joy; he will restore them to full well-being.
2 Chronicles 7: 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Ecclesiastes 3: 3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
Hosea 14:4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
Luke 4: 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Matthew 9:2 Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.” 3 At this, some of the teachers of the law said to themselves, “This fellow is blaspheming!” 4 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, “Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts? 5 Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? 6 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home.”
15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; 16 And charged them that they should not make him known: 17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
God’s kingdom WILL STAND because as God said He would bring curses, calamity, darkness, infirmities in His anger because of sin, He ALSO SAID He would have mercy and would turn from His anger and HEAL.
Jesus casting out the curses brought as punishments from God, healing them, is fulfilling prophecy.June 6, 2018 at 7:00 am #830246
And he was casting out a demon, and it was mute; when the demon had gone out the man spoke; and the crowds were amazed. But some of them said,
’He casts out demons by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons’
Others, to test him were demanding a sign from heaven. But he knew their thoughts and said to them,
’Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and a house divided against itself falls.
If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand?
For you say that I cast out demons by Beelzebub.
And if I by Beelzebub, cast out demons by whom do your sons cast them out?
So they will be your judges.
But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you..’
No lie or deceit was found in the mouth of Jesus. He did not correct the understanding of the people about demons or Beelzebub as ruler of the demons, suggesting he can also be called Satan and telling us that Satan has a kingdom.
We should not attempt to correct the master if we have theological ideas that conflict with his teachings.
The Son came to set men free from the domain of darkness and lead them into the kingdom of light.June 6, 2018 at 7:23 am #830248
It is unfortunate that you deny the scriptures that clearly show that there does in fact exist fake demons. We are told that the pagan gods and their demons were works of man’s imagination and they had absolutely no power to do good or evil.
If you were a pagan you would have believed that a person with palsy was under a curse from a god, and that god sent into you an entity that had control over your body.
The TRUTH is that there is no entity in a person with palsy, they have an infirmity (illness, disease, disorder, ailment), of which is a disorder where there is nerve damage in the brain.
We are also told, which you deny Nick, is that God also says that He alone exists with powers, there is no other. He tells us that He ALONE we shall FEAR, and this is precisely because He alone has the supernatural powers to curse.
We FEAR God because if we sin He said he would send cursing. Read Deuteronomy 28 and you well see just all the cursing that He would do. This includes madness, which represents a number of unclean spirits/infirmities/disorders of the brain.
He also said that He would have MERCY and HEAL!!
What exactly does this nerve damage look like in a person with Palsy?…they have episodes of uncontrollable tremors, their body shakes, and they can foam at the mouth. The episode can come at any given time, leaving and then coming back and be worse than before. They can also have emotional outbursts where they will cry or laugh all of a sudden at inappropriate times.
Likewise a person who is schizophrenic can have episodes where they actually speak uncontrollably, shouting out profanity and whatever else, this too is a neurological disorder. Just imagine what a pagan schizophrenic might say during an episode, or anyone for that matter who believes that his own condition is caused by another entity entering his body.
This is exactly what we see today and what Jesus faced when he went about healing people who have a brain disorder, but also believed that entities possess people as it was a common pagan thought. They have hallucinations and delusions, they see things, hear things that aren’t really there, and they speak according to what they think they see and hear, and what it is they think they know.
Their brain disorder causes them to have multiple personalities, of which can cause them to even speak as if they believe they are themselves a wicked entity, like that of a fake fallen evil angel!!
It’s just absurd Nick, we know that there is NOT an entity in these people, they have a neurological disorder.June 6, 2018 at 7:28 am #830249
You would correct the Teacher?
He spoke and worked by the finger of God.
.June 6, 2018 at 8:56 am #830253
There is a kingdom of demons led by Beelzebub.
God is in total control and he can only work within prescribed limits.
God does not give glory to demons or their master but they do affect the life and health of humans.
They are more clever and more knowledgible than their human hosts and only God and death can set men free from them.
They prefer us to be ignorant.June 6, 2018 at 10:03 am #830255
Take a risk and believe Jesus Christ.
No lie or deceit (including rationalisation, justification, addition or subtraction from truth) was found in his mouth.
My sheep hear my voice and they follow me.June 7, 2018 at 3:30 am #830283
Nick Beelzbub is a FALSE god,
I don’t think you really read through my previous post, please read it again and also consider the following, OPEN your mind!!
2 And Ahaziah fell down through a lattice in his upper chamber that was in Samaria, and was sick: and he sent messengers, and said unto them, Go, enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease. 3 But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, Arise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Samaria, and say unto them, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that ye go to enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron?
6 And they said unto him, There came a man up to meet us, and said unto us, Go, turn again unto the king that sent you, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that thou sendest to enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron? therefore thou shalt not come down from that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die.
Jeremiah 10: 8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities. 9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men. 10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. 11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. 12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. 14 Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. 15 They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.
War of the Jews, written by a man known to be a Pharisee Josephus,
1:5 For what man of virtue is there who does not know, that those souls which are severed from their fleshly bodies in battles by the sword are received by the ether, that purest of elements, and joined to that company which are placed among the stars; that they become good demons, and propitious heroes, and show themselves as such to their posterity afterwards?
6:3 Yet, after all this pains in getting, it is only valuable on account of one virtue it hath, that if it be only brought to sick persons, it quickly drives away those called demons, which are no other than the spirits of the wicked, that enter into men that are alive and kill them, unless they can obtain some help against them.
“All forms of demonology were adopted by the Pharisees and incorporated into so-called Judaism. Demons of the privy, of the night, of every phase of nature, were and are catered to by the tenets and customs of this sect. The Talmud book of Yadayim (hands) is, for example, on ritual hand-washing in connection with Pharisee demonology. The Talmud is larded with occult works and practices.”
“Many diseases are caused by direct demoniac agency. Thus, leprosy (Horay.10 a), rabies (Yoma 83 b), heart-disease (Gitt.67 b), madness, asthma (Bechor.44 b), croup (Yoma 77 b; Taan.20 b), and other diseases, are ascribed to special demons.”
“When he rises from his sleep the evil spirit departs from his entire body excepting from his fingers. From there the unclean spirit does not depart unless he spills water on them three times alternately. One is not permitted to walk four cubits without having his hands washed.” (Schulchan Aruch, Vol. 1, Chapter II: Hebrew Publishing Co. 77-9 Delancey St., New York, copyright 1927).
Hmm, lets see here, the Jews were taken captive in Babylon, what did they believe?
Ahriman was the god of evil and darkness in Persian mythology and in Zoroastrianism, a religion that attracted a large following in Persia around 600 B . C . Often called Druj (“the Lie”), Ahriman was the force behind anger, greed, envy, and other negative and harmful emotions. He also brought chaos , death, disease, and other ills into the world. In the Islamic religion, he is identified with Iblis, the devil.
The Jews took Zoroastrianism and embedded it into their own knowledge.
They BECAME self righteous, and full of complete vanity, they took God’s Holy Angels, and made them into demons. God’s angels are the messengers that bring death, they bring disease. They took the false god Beelzebul and made him into the ruler of the demons calling him man’s Adversary. They then take these angels that bring God’s punishment for sin, and also say that they are the ones that also make men sin. This is blasphemous! But scripture says all throughout so many many times, that it is man’s own imagination, his own heart, that from within sin comes.
These are scriptural facts Nick,
“At God’s WRATH the earth shall tremble”
He controls the wind and the rain
He brings forth disease, destruction, and death
There is NO other God, He alone exists with powers
He promised blessing for those that follow His path, and cursing to those who don’t
He promised MERCY and to HEAL those who show faith and repent
God sent Jesus to teach repentance to bring people into faith in God, and to heal those who believe.
Psalm 103:2-3 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all His benefits; Who forgives all your iniquities; who heals all your diseases.
Proverbs 3:7-8 Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and depart from evil. It will be health to your flesh, and strength to your bones.
Proverbs 4:20-22 My son, give attention to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart; for they are life to those who find them, and health to all their flesh.
Psalms 106: 35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
Jeremiah 10: 2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen,
INFO on Zorostrian beliefs,
Angra Mainyu, (Avestan: “Destructive Spirit”)Middle Persian Ahriman, the evil, destructive spirit in the dualistic doctrine of Zoroastrianism. According to the earliest version of the myth, he is the twin brother of Spenta Mainyu, the Holy Spirit, and both were the sons of Ahura Mazdā (Ormizd or Ormazd), the Wise Lord and supreme deity of Zoroastrianism.
Angra Mainyu’s essential nature is expressed in his principal epithet—Druj, “the Lie,” which expresses itself as greed, wrath, and envy. To aid him in attacking the light (Spenta Mainyu, the good creation of Ahura Mazdā), Angra Mainyu created a horde of demons embodying envy and similar qualities. Despite the chaos and suffering effected in the world by his onslaught, believers expect Angra Mainyu to be defeated in the end of time by Ahura Mazdā. Confined to their own realm, his demons will devour each other, and his own existence will be quenched. In a later dualism, Ahura Mazdā, still the creator god, is himself the force of good, Angra Mainyu is his evil, destructive counterpart, and both exist from eternity.
In ancient Persian (Iran) religion and books of Zoroastrianism, Angra Mainyu is the god of darkness, the eternal destroyer of good, personification and creator of evil, bringer of death and disease. He is also known as Ahriman, and his name means “fiendish spirit”.
He is seen as the personification of evil, he leading the dark forces against the hosts of Spenta Mainyu, the holy spirit, who assisted Ahura Mazda, the wise lord, and final victor of the cosmic conflict. Ahriman introduced the frost in winter, heat in summer, all manner of diseases and other ills, to thwart Ahura Mazda, and he also created the dragon Azi Dahaka, who brought ruin to the Earth.
Assault of Evil Spirits: Shortly after a person passes away, evil spirits, the nasu, try and assail both soul and body. Special cleaning rituals and prayers are required to be performed expeditiously in order to keep these evil spirits at bay. The nasu are primarily the agents of diseases that can cause great harm to the living. The nasu cause nasa: death, pollution, putrefaction, contamination, and decay, and will multiply greatly in a dead body and use the corpse as a means to harm the living – unless appropriate measures are taken upon a person’s passing away, a primary purpose of the rituals and stipulations. A contaminated object is also called nasa.
COMPARE to the JEWS in the Kabbalah, Zohar, Babylonian Talmud,
Their belief is that God did not bring diseases and torments in the form of leprosy, palsy, madness, blindness, deafness, dumbness/mute, instead this came from the ruler of evil spirits the arch angel Samael. According to the Jewish encyclopedia Samael, ”All these descriptions of Samael show that he was regarded simply as the principle of evil that brought upon Israel and Judah every misfortune that befell them.”
According to the Jewish encyclopedia,
“Prince of the demons, and an important figure both in Talmudic and in post-Talmudic literature, where he appears as accuser, seducer, and destroyer. His name is etymologized as = “the venom of God,” since he is identical with the angel of death (Targ. Yer. to Gen. iii. 6; see also Death, Angel of), who slays men with a drop of poison (‘Ab. Zarah 20b; Kohut, “Angelologie und Dämonologie,” pp. 69, 71). It is possible, however, that the name is derived from that of the Syrian god Shemal (Bousset, “Religion,” p. 242).”
Not only did they have Samael they had other evil angels that were said to control the wind and the weather, ones that brought wisdom to man.
The TRUTH is that God brings forth diseases, He controls the weather, He gives man wisdom with His Spirit. The book of Enoch describes different angels and says their work is for wicked sake. THE TRUTH is that it is God and He punishes for sin and for instruction, and He gives men wisdom. What occurred unto Israel was NOT MISFORTUNE brought about by wicked angels, it was punishment from God, brought about by FAITHFUL angels.
Nick you are following false teachings of Jews that mixed with heathens, and turned God’s righteous angels into wicked angels, and made the cause of their OWN sins to be from a seducing evil angel. They turned and PRODUCED their OWN Angra Mainyu’!!!
2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
Angels do not falsely accuse humans before the LORD, they are ALL Holy. But this is exactly what the Pharisees taught, and what you see in the book of Enoch and the Zohar, and the Talmund. The Adversary did not falsely accuse Job, he was ABSOLUTELY right about Job! Men speak EVIL about ANGELS about what they do not know they speak SELF -RIGHTEOUSLY, they want to say that an adversary a wicked angel caused all the curses that happened unto Israel.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
Nick you think that Peter and Jude are supporting the book of Enoch when the TRUTH is the EXACT opposite, they speak against it! The book of ENOCH is speaking EVIL against God’s Holy angels, they have GONE in the way of Beelzebub, the way of the heathen, the way of Zorastrianism!!
They committed adultery leaving the path and truth of God and going after heathen ideas.June 7, 2018 at 6:11 am #830284
Beelzebub is a false god.
So also the stomach is a false god,
Whatever man chooses to worship that is not the Father is a false god.
But the stomach is a real thing just as Beelzebub is real, and is a nuisance.
Just because men worship foolish things does not make them nonexistent.
For there are many gods and many lords as Jesus said. Is he not the truth?June 7, 2018 at 8:07 am #830291
Men worship angels, demons, men, stones, wood etc
Their existence is not proven or disproven by the fact that foolish men worship them as idols.
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