May 7, 2018 at 1:46 pm #825600JodiParticipant
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Scripture warns that there would be false doctrines about demons, that men would deceive with fake spirits, and that people would believe in fables.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 7 But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
The word “devils” is daimonion– this word is used interchangeably in scripture with unclean spirits, it is also used interchangeably with being dumb/or mute, blind, etc.. We see from 1 Timothy 4 that there most assuredly EXISTS LIES about seducing spirits and devils/demons/unclean spirits and that they were FABLES.
1 Corinthians 10: 20 No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.
Revelation 9: 20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk;
The word “demons” in both of these passages is also daimonion and once again the passages are speaking of FABLES, of the worship and fear of false gods and their demons.
2 Timothy 4: 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
There were/are various beliefs when it comes to demons and God warned not to mingle with heathens and change the truth into lies.
What are these lies? What are the false doctrines when it comes to unclean spirits? What are these fables?May 8, 2018 at 8:34 pm #825698
Yes demons often occupy the vessel of man.
That is why Jesus spent so much of his time driving them out and cleansing those vessels to be able to house the Holy Spirit and to become useful vessels for God, as man was designed to be.
Men are often deceived into allowing these agents of disease, mental illness and deception to use them as tools in spreading their doctrines. Without the light of the Spirit man is easy prey.
The light has begun to drive out the darkness but the process is slow, and natural men usually prefer the darknessMay 8, 2018 at 9:00 pm #825700
So entrenched in deception and the doctrines of demons were the Pharisees that the Spirit in Jesus called them a brood of vipers, sons of the devil and whited sepulchres full of dead men’s bones. These men of religion were doing exactly the opposite of the will of God and served Satan and the kingdom of darkness.
They missed their opportunity to find the will of God, and like the scribes, refused the baptism of repentance of John- as shown in Lk 7.30.Unsurprisingly they then carried out the will of these evil authorities on high and murdered the Christ of God.May 8, 2018 at 9:36 pm #825701
As Jesus Christ said
”Make sure the light in you is not darkness, for O how deep that darkness can be”
Truth and deception can look so similar.May 9, 2018 at 2:40 am #825705
Jodi and Nick…..again well put, both of you, good witnesses to the truth of God, and our lord, better, brother Jesus the Christ.
Peace and love to both of you and yours. ……geneMay 9, 2018 at 2:33 pm #825737AndrewADParticipant
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The doctrines of devils ITim refers to are stated in the passage as forbidding to marry and abstaining from certain foods. Various sects throughout Christian history have advocated such rules even partly based on teachings of Jesus and Paul themselves concerning marriage. It’s claimed here that these are doctrines of, from or by devils not about devils. And how can one partake of the table of demons if demons don’t exist? If Paul wanted his readers to not believe in demons he should’ve plainly said don’t believe in demons or people who say they exist, but quite to the contrary he mentions Satan and devils in nearly all his writings as if they do exist. He even thought his thorn in the flesh was a messenger of Satan sent to harass him or keep him from being too conceited.
It’s true that idols cannot see or hear or speak but apparently demons can according the gospels such as Mark 1:23-25 23 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out,
24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
Here the demon sees, speaks and hears.
Now do you consider stories such as this to be fables? or the sons of God breeding with woman, similar to the Titans of Greek lore, or the battling angels of Daniel and the list could go on and on. I understand if you don’t want to believe in them because if God is really sovereign over everything and everyone then what is the point of these? I’ve met people who say they believe in God but not the devil,and also those who came to believe in God and Christ through perceived experience with ghosts or demons and they sincerely believe in their experience and subsequent faith.
And what do with this verse in James? Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Just what are these devils that believe in God? It’s one thing to say you don’t believe in the devil/devils but trying to claim the bible, in particular the NT doesn’t teach their existence is simply unrealistic.May 9, 2018 at 4:39 pm #825755
Yes the fact that men are used to teach doctrines of demons and lead away believers,
shows how clever these unclean spirits are, and how gullible are men
who do not know the word, or the Spirit that wrote it
and spoke it through anointed vessels.May 9, 2018 at 7:02 pm #825756
So the demons have been offering men an alternative faith.
They are already condemned and know that the time left to use us to oppose God is short.
They offer another Jesus, false Christs, false prophets and false teachers inspired by themselves.
There is a false table of sharing , false fellowship and a spirit of deception – another spirit.
They are doing their evil master and his angelic servants proud.
Maranatha, come Lord Jesus.May 10, 2018 at 2:54 am #825777
To all… Matt 7:15-23, please read it all, i just quoted part here, Jesus said, “there is “Nothing” from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. Why, because it comes from the heart”. Now if your heart is evil, thats what comes out of you. If you “being” evil, know how to give good gifts, how much more will your heavenly father give to them who ask of his spirit. And again, every tree is known by “it’s” fruit, seek the evil and evil will come into you, or seek whats good and good shall come into you. Every tree (that which produces from self) is known by what (IT) produces. Learn how to “distinguish” good from evil, life from death, choose good and life. Because your own mind will be affected by your own choices. When we are tempted it is from our own selves we are tempted, ACCORDING TO JAMES. Resist the d-evil, and it will flee from you, seek the good and it will come unto you.
Peace and love to you all and yours. ……geneMay 10, 2018 at 4:44 am #825778AnthonyParticipant
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May 10, 2018 at 4:55 am #825779AnthonyParticipant
- Hi gene. Don’t be under any illusion: you cannot make a fool of God! A man’s harvest in life will depend entirely on whathe sows. If he sows for his own lower nature his harvest will be the decay and death of his own nature. But if he sows for the Spirit he will reap the harvest of everlasting life by that Spirit. Let us not grow tired of doing good, for, unless we throw in our hand, the ultimate harvest is assured. Let us then do good to all men as opportunity offers, especially to those who belong to the Christian household. God bless isn’t God (Yahweh) good and the only begotten Son (Yahshua) I like those names !! I believe that’s what the apostle said yahshua .
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Gene…..Phillips translation.May 10, 2018 at 6:56 am #825782
Anthony….good post brother i believe that to, it’s about what we are doing and God the Father is doing in and with our lives, that really counts.
Rememver this scripture, “what does God require of you, O man?, do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with your GOD.” Thats it everything else has been added.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……geneMay 10, 2018 at 6:57 am #825783
Yes Jesus declared foods clean. Demons do not enter man through eating food such as pork.
It is lusts that give birth to sin in the flesh by our own decisions. Jas1.14f
When they occupy our heart only God can set us free again.
Out of the mouth comes what the heart is full of.
The tongue is as the tiny rudder of the ship
Freedom is found in Jesus Christ
When the son sets you free you will be free indeed.May 10, 2018 at 7:39 am #825784
Nick….The food laws were only examples to, show us God wants us to learn that we need to learn to seperate the good from the evil. He used the carnal food laws, to cause our forefathers to learn to chose what they are bring into their own lives, life is about learning to seperate the evil from the good. I believe good and evil is what life consists of and probably always will, so choosing good brings about clean things in our lives and choosing evil brings about unclean things in our lives. It all about how we want to live our own lives, we are greatly effected by what we choose to being into our lives. People who try to blame it on an unseen force are simply trying to put the blame of their own actions of on others so they can escape having any blame for what they themselves are doing. Flee d-evil and it will fee from you IMO.
Man sins when he or she is lead away by their “own lusts” not someone else causing it, remember unto thy own self be true.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….geneMay 10, 2018 at 8:08 am #825785
Scripture teaches that either you are led by the Spirit or you are still under the power of the evil one.
As the Spirit taught through Peter, quoting scripture, in 1 Peter 1.14
“All flesh is like grass, and all it’s glory like the flower of grass.
The grass withers, and the flower falls off,
but the word of the Lord endures forever.”
Man is pathetic, weak and ignorant.
”We know that we are of God and the whole world lies under the power of the evil one”
”For He has rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins”
Two kingdoms. Two choices.
The rest is vanity.
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