Flat Earth?

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     Dig4truth 
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    Nick, why then am I upholding Scripture and you seem to be upholding the teachings of man?

    The Scripture says that the sun has a circuit that it goes forth and that it runs its race but you hold to the teaching that the earth moves around the sun. Who is hearing the words of men?

    #826416
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Dig4,

    You may imagine that you are upholding the truth of God.

    But instead you are offering your limited understandings of revelation.

    God has chosen to reveal little of His awesome creation to mankind but you grasp straws.

    You try to build a house from these few facts but it can only become a straw house unrelated to the truth of God.

     

    Do not kid yourself that God is grateful for the works of your own hands.

     

    #826417
     Dig4truth 
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    Well, Nick, I feel sufficiently warned.

    #826418
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Dig4,

    Has not God rather chosen to reveal His nature through the wonders of creation?Rom 1.20 f

    Are you not limiting His revelation rather to what is written and frustrating His plan?

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     Anthony 
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    Hi .   https://www.youtube.com/user/thismorning

    #826420
     t8 
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    Dig4Truth,

    The Flat Earth is the experience that God gave us of living on Earth. But knowledge increased as it is written that would happen and consequently, we see that the framework of creation comprises of spherical planets including Earth held in orbits around suns by gravity and all wonderfully made. If I created a virtual world and populated it with an AI race, I would give them a Flat Earth experience too probably, but if knowledge increased, they might discover the code that makes their world possible and even discover the hardware like the CPU if they were somehow able to project out of the screen to the dimension their world exists in. In fact it would be fun to watch them discover my handiwork.

    God loves man and speaks to him through man’s experience. He sees through our eyes when he talks to us, and doesn’t often talk to us like we are angels in heaven who get a much higher perspective of creation and the things of God.

    I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.

    So why fight to convince people that God’s creation is smaller than what discoveries point to, when today’s increased knowledge shows us a creation that can only be made by an eternal being. Even Atheists are in awe at the universe, its size, precision, and spectacular phenomena. All Flat Earthers are going to convince people of is someone made a dome and it could easily be advanced aliens or even other humans who have placed us inside a zoo or made us part of a reality TV programme for their entertainment.

    Men are increasingly without excuse that God created the universe as science is always showing more than expected of the wonderful handiwork of God.

    God did all that. Praise him for his handwork and eternal nature.

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     t8 
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    #826423
     mikeboll64 
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    T8:  The Earth tilts to create seasons…

    The earth tilts at 23.5 degrees for two reasons…

    1.  It was discovered that people can see Polaris, the north star, as far as 23.5 degrees south of the equator, so it was easier to claim the earth tilts 23.5 degrees than explain how people in the southern hemisphere were able to see through the earth to Polaris.
    2.   They also needed to explain the change of seasons, and this addition of a tilt to an earth that had previously had none killed two birds with one stone.

    But let’s do a thought experiment.  Imagine the earth as a quarter inch diameter ball bearing (the moon would be a BB), placed at the end zone of an American football field (100 yards long).  The sun wouldn’t even be on same field.  It would be a five foot diameter ball of fire on the 50 yard line of the next field.  That’s how far away they say the sun is from the earth.

    The heat from the sun is traveling 93 million miles to the earth (through a vacuum, which is itself a complete impossibility) – or in our scaled down model, 150 yards to the quarter inch diameter earth.  Do you really think that tilting the quarter inch ball bearing 23.5 degrees is going to cause a drastic fluctuation in the amount of heat reaching the closer part verses the farther part?  Because that’s what they tell us.

    But that’s not even the worst part.  When the northern hemisphere is having it’s summer, the earth is actually 3.1 million miles farther away from the sun!

     

    So we move the earth 3 million miles farther away, and give it a little tilt, and somehow that’s supposed to bring more heat to the north?  I kid you not, man.  I mean, who makes this crap up?  Tilting a 25,000 mile circumference sphere is going to move the north what… a couple thousand miles closer to the sun?  Yet the sun is now 3.1 million miles farther away?  Why would anyone in their right mind believe this nonsense?

    It’s like a kid roasting a marshmallow for the first time, but he’s scared to get closer than 5 feet from the fire… which isn’t close enough to do anything to his marshmallow.  So his parents say, “That’s okay son, just take a step further away from the fire, and tilt the marshmallow a little.  That’ll get ‘er nice and brown.”  LOL

    #826425
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Mike,

    It is fortunate for you that you have someone so wise to rely on.

    Nobody else can be trusted.

    Just you.

     

     

    #826426
     mikeboll64 
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    T8:  I just read this:

    The friction between the earth’s surface and the atmosphere. The atmosphere rotates along with the Earth due to the friction. Friction makes molecules that are in contact with the ground to move. The friction between the air molecules (air viscosity) causes the upper molecules to move.

    Again, use discernment.  What on earth would make you believe such blatant nonsense?  Does a speeding car cut through the air… or take all the air molecules along with it due to friction?  How about a plane?  T8, the best thing that happened to me during this investigation is that my God-given BS detector began to work again.  For years I was like you… believing anything “science says”, without even thinking about whether it made any sense.

    So I ask you, does that really make sense to you?

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     david 
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     t8 
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    Hey Mike. Yes it would make some difference, but how much is not known by myself. If the difference is noticeable, then I would make the argument that sit between a frozen Mars and a cooking Venus. We are in between in a place often referred to as the Goldilocks Zone. In fact, creationists use this as an argument for intelligent Earth placement rather than random placement of the planet. It is argued often that a little bit forward and we cook and a little back and we freeze. But God placed us in the exact position for life to flourish. But let’s assume for the sake of the argument that the effect of the tilt making a place closer is so small that it is not worth mentioning. There are still two main points as to why each hemisphere heats up in summer and is cooler in winter.

    1. When the earth tilts toward the sun, you get more sunlight. That is akin to having the heater on for longer and over a period of months that is a lot of extra sunlight or extra heating hours.
    2. This reason I googled just now. “During the summer, the sun’s rays hit the Earth at a steep angle. The light does not spread out as much, thus increasing the amount of energy hitting any given spot. During the winter, the sun’s rays hit the Earth at a shallow angle. These rays are more spread out, which minimizes the amount of energy that hits any given spot”.

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    #826432
     mikeboll64 
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    D4T:  Mike, I love that video about the map! It just goes to illustrate how we have accepted things that were taught to us…

    Yeah, it was both humorous and enlightening.  I’m not accepting anything the mainstream is pushing anymore… until I’ve looked at it closely with skeptical eyes and agree that it is rational.

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     mikeboll64 
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    T8:  My two posts above easily refute the logic that air pressure in the atmosphere will reach equilibrium and consequently be sucked out into the vacuum, of space.

    No T8, they don’t.  Your posts not only fail to refute the claim that there is no way that a pressurized system could exist adjacent to a near perfect vacuum, but the claims therein fail for two glaring reasons…

    1.  They go directly against 2LoT (second law of thermodynamics), which says pressure will always and constantly move from high to low until the entire system has reached equilibrium.
    2. They rely on a very selective force called gravity, which was dreamed up from pure imagination as an answer to why spherical objects in the heavens could remain in orbits, and has NEVER been verified to even exist.

     

    T8:  What you are basically arguing here is that yes there is this law, but no, there are no other laws. So I could argue that you cannot fly a plane because of gravity. To say that, I have to ignore aerodynamics. Or that things fall because of gravity, so I could argue that they fall forever because I am leaving out electromagnetism.

    Listen friend, you are posting a lot of videos and Google Search results that tell you what your ears are itching to hear… but you’re not thinking straight, and you’re definitely not using discernment in these things.  You just keep posting blatant nonsense that you found on the web, and keep claiming it as real answers when it is anything but.

    I have still not heard back about you starting the debate thread… even after repeatedly asking if you’ve done so.  If you have, please let me know.  If you haven’t, please do so.  We’re all over the place in this thread, which is fine for it’s purpose.  People are getting a chance to gain some cursory knowledge about some of the complete absurdities we’ve all taken for granted just because “science says”.  I hope that will cause them to dig a little deeper and question some of these things. But in the debate thread, you and I can really pick these things apart, and I will be able to adequately address your Google and YouTube “answers” in a way that you will then be able to recognize them for what they really are.

    So please start the thread if you haven’t.

     

    #826434
     mikeboll64 
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    Gene:  Mike….Tell us who said this, “destory this “temple” and in three days (I) shall raise “it” up. 

    Jesus said those words, Gene.

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