May 17, 2018 at 2:19 pm #826369
Gene: Mike… tell us have you changed your mind yet after the tons of proof given you…
I’m still waiting on the first piece of proof, Gene. I’m working long hours now, so please don’t take my absence for a couple days as defeat.May 17, 2018 at 2:24 pm #826370
Nick: Hi Gene,
If you have sold out to deception and become a zealous missionary for falsehood
it is a long and painful return journey.
Exactly Nick! I already said the same thing in a couple of posts here. But don’t stress, D4T and I are here to help you along your journey away from the deception and the zealous way you’ve been indoctrinated to defend it – despite not even knowing that much about it. But I’m not going to lie… it will be painful for you.May 17, 2018 at 2:30 pm #826371
Gene: Yea Nick, i think Mike would have a hard time saying he is wrong even with the tons of proofs staring him in the face. I don’t think he has convienced one person here of a Flat Earth yet, that i know of.
We can’t say he didn’t try, i still love him though.
I’m just leading you to the water, Gene. And I have just only begun to fight! 🙂
I still love you too, because I sincerely realize how hard this is. I also realize that your headstrong beliefs in this nonsensical deception isn’t your fault. It’s been ingrained in us since we were old enough to talk… and that’s a long freaking time to be indoctrinated. You won’t be able to kick it in a day.May 17, 2018 at 2:35 pm #826372
Kathi: The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.
Atta girl. 🙂 I still believe that if “Let there be” meant something new in each other instance, it meant something new in verse 3 as well.May 17, 2018 at 2:37 pm #826373
T8: Gravity provides conditions similar to throwing a ball inside a moving car vs air resistance from throwing the same ball on a moving bike.
Ah, but first you must prove that such a thing even exists. How will you do it?May 17, 2018 at 2:45 pm #826374
Nick: Hi LU,
Indeed the Spirit said through Jesus.
’I proceeded forth and came from God’
‘Befoe Abraham I am’
Those unfamiliar with the Spirit speaking through the vessel attribute the words to the vessel.
Your theology doesn’t align with the scriptures, Nick. For example, if the words in 58 were said by the Spirit speaking through the vessel, who said the words in verses 54-56? Because the same entity said all of those words… as it was an ongoing discussion. To assume regular old Jesus was talking, then all of a sudden the Spirit popped in to say that it (the Spirit) existed before Abraham, how could the Jews to whom Jesus and the Spirit were speaking make heads or tails of what was going on?
No, the words in 58, like the words in the rest of the discussion, were the words of Jesus himself.May 17, 2018 at 2:52 pm #826375
Nick: Hi Dig4,
If you lose faith in scientists and believe that there is a massive conspiracy afoot to con the masses
then you are only left with your own observations to trust…
By all means, never trust your own senses and God-given logic. Just blindly trust everything men called scientists tell you. 😀 I can’t believe you said that. Hey Nick, what do the scientists trust as they’re trying to figure things out? 🙂May 17, 2018 at 3:00 pm #826376
D4T: The Coriolis Effect is a myth. Snipers don’t really take it into account…
Foucault’s Pendulums are often quoted as proof of a rotating Earth but upon closer investigation prove the opposite…
…just like Foucault’s Pendulums spinning either which way, sinks and toilets in the Northern and Southern hemispheres do not consistently spin in any one direction!
Great stuff. May I suggest you take these things one at a time, and allow the others to address them, thereby getting a good back and forth on each instead of a flood of info that’s too much for them to address in one response?May 17, 2018 at 3:03 pm #826377Dig4truthParticipant
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T8: “The atmosphere thins out and is almost at zero before hitting space. That makes sense. I use to live in Bogota which is about 2700m above seal level. It was hard to breathe up there, and while you didn’t notice it right away, you certainly did when you went for a run.
If it air pressure were the same density all the way up, then the vacuum would affect the atmosphere like air getting sucked out a hole in a plane for sure. But the idea that a vacuum sucks might be sound when working out how a vacuum cleaner works. However, a vacuum cleaner doesn’t have zero air pressure or a piece of space inside does it. What really happens regarding the atmosphere is high air pressure is stronger than low air pressure or space, so the high air pressure simply flows into the lower air pressure zone or into space. But if the upper atmosphere has almost zero air pressure, then loss of atmosphere will be almost non-existent or extremely slow.
Maybe think of it as a water container with a hole in it that leads to another container. The water won’t flow into the other container because there is already water in it and the pressure is the same so to speak. But if there was no water in the other container just air (which is lower in pressure or density) then the water will move into the lower pressure / density space. If one container had saltwater and the other fresh water, I am willing to guess that the saltwater will very slowly flow into the freshwater till equilibrium takes place because saltwater is denser than freshwater.
So why doesn’t the miniscule amount of atmosphere vacate and move into the zero pressure of space? Apparently Earth does lose a miniscule amount of atmosphere, but it would take billions of years before we lost our atmosphere and suffer the same fate as Mars. Because Mars is smaller, it lost its atmosphere quicker because the force of gravity of that planet is less than Earth, thus they lost their atmosphere quicker than we will. And without googling this, I will go out on a limb and say the reason high air pressure doesn’t do the equilibrium thing with lower air pressure higher up is because of gravity. Gravity is stronger the closer to Earth you are, so it would stand to reason that the airpressure is higher there than further up. If this is a wrong explanation, I am sure there is a logical explanation that I could google.”
T8, you didn’t answer any of my questions, did you?
When you say “space” what you really mean is a perfect vacuum.
A vacuum cleaner would not even compare to the vacuum of space but even on earth a vacuum cleaner can suck in air. How much more the vacuum of “space”?
Questions you didn’t answer:
[T]he force of gravity is stronger than the force of a near perfect vacuum?
The lesser density of the atmosphere is juxtaposed to the greatest vacuum, greater than anything we could produce on the earth’s surface, and somehow the atmosphere is not very effected by it. Why?
Because of this extremely weak force (gravity) at its greatest distance and the least amount of mass to exert that force on (higher atmosphere) but somehow it (gravity) wins over the incredible strong near perfect vacuum. Why?May 17, 2018 at 3:10 pm #826378GeneBalthropParticipant
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Mike….Tell us who said this, “destory this “temple” and in three days (I) shall raise “it” up. That could not have been Jesus saying that because he said he was “dead” and the dead can’t raise themselves. So it was God the Father speaking through the very mouth of Jesus that said that. Scripture also says it was God who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus did not raise himself.
So again you logic fails you.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….geneMay 17, 2018 at 3:15 pm #826379Dig4truthParticipant
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T8, you said that “high air pressure is stronger than low air pressure or space“.
Can an you back up that claim? Because I have been told that even high air pressure is no match for a strong vacuum (which is what “space” is). Again, we have seen this demonstrated on a thick metal railroad car with a mild vacuum!May 17, 2018 at 3:17 pm #826380
David: You replied “the purpose behind it is to hide God.”
I’m not sue I understand. If the universe wasn’t as most believe, with a couple hundred billion galaxies each with let’s say a couple hundred billion stars, many of them billions of light years away, and with planets or clumps of matter or rock being dragged around them, I’m not sure how portraying it this way hides God exactly.
The heliocentric model, with it’s trillions stars and planets made the earth a little insignificant pale blue dot. I posted a quote from Carl Sagan earlier in the thread where he was basically saying, Get over yourself. We are insignificant stardust on an insignificant little planet among trillions of others just like us. There is no transcendent beneficiary coming to save you.
I also quoted Lawrence Krauss saying, “Forget Jesus… the stars died for you!”
The idea that we live in this huge universe gave way to the godless big bang theory, billions of years, accidental circumstances that just happened to place us in one of the good spots in the universe, accidental life from non-living matter, and accidental evolution that resulted in mankind. But what if our world was like a terrarium… and everybody KNEW it?
Who among those people would even waste a second pondering whether our world, and by extension us, were accidents? Everyone would know for a fact that someone or something made this terrarium world on purpose, and therefore likely made the things in it on purpose too.
David: More are you saying this is just some silly idea that doesn’t Match the dome / firmament model of the universe?
I didn’t come to this by way of scriptures first. My first clue was that objects can be seen much further away than possible if we lived on a ball 25,000 miles in circumference. Some of those object are suppose to be MILES behind the curve of the earth – yet we see them. After that, the proofs just kept piling on until it was overwhelmingly clear that we’ve been lied to about where we live. And the proofs I’m talking about are observable, testable, and repeatable. Nobody has to take anyone else’s word for it, because they are things we can all see with our own eyes… like a moon eclipsing from the top down, or a full moon in the daytime. Of course there are tons more, but only after I looked at the observational science side of it was I led to all the scriptures that clearly describe a fixed and stationary earth with the sun, moon, and stars running on appointed circuits over us.May 17, 2018 at 3:23 pm #826383
D4T: Nick, I have pointed out several historical empherical scientific test that conclusivey proves the earth is not rotating. Why then would you suggest that I am loosing faith in scientists? I have to assume you are referencing the theoretical ideas that is offered as “science” today. Yes, I don’t have a lot of faith in that kind of pseudo-science.
Scientists have told us that the curvature of the earth drops at 8″ per mile squared. When we measure this we are able to see way past the curvature on a regular basis. Why would you not have faith in this scientific experiment that scientists have provided?
Also, we have the best scientist of all that says the sun has a circuit. That scientist is God!
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
Nick: Hi Dig4,
Yes you seem to think you have found all there is to know.
Translation: Dang, I can’t actually address the points D4T made, so I’ll just post some worthless troll tripe. 🙂May 17, 2018 at 3:27 pm #826385t8Participant
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Use discernment, T8. Crying “GRAVITY!” doesn’t solve the problem in the least, and yet it is the only thing you guys have to answer it. What is gravity? What observational test has ever been done to confirm it’s existence? How is it so selective that it can hold trillions of cubic tons of water upside down on a spinning ball, yet a butterfly can easily escape it’s grasp? How is it so selective that it can keep certain bodies of mass, like planets, orbiting for eons, but affix other bodies of mass, like us, firmly to the ground… even upside down? Why don’t the planets become affixed, or people orbit around the earth?
Mike, I meant my two posts on that page, not videos.
Gravity is a law that explains why things fall down. If you don’t have gravity, then yes you are free to come up with another explanation that works when you use calculations based on your new theory. No, I am not near upside down living here in New Zealand. lol. There is no up in the universe. IF there was and actual up based on up and down, then in space you wouldn’t float and then ask yourself why the earth disk doesn’t fall down by default and why would everything fall down anyway. But I guess you will say nothing falls, it is the disk that propels upward. But why would upward motion lead to you sticking to the disk. What law is that called?
Mike, crying gravity is like crying electromagnetism, action reaction, cooling, time etc. Yes we are free to discard all these laws that explain what we experience. I would argue though that you need to disprove them if calculations based on them always work. Until then, I will stick with them or at least believe them. They only prove a lawmaker anyway.
Men use to get thrown into prison for preaching science because of religious bigotry. We should be open to all truth from scripture, science, etc.May 17, 2018 at 3:27 pm #826386
T8: This was demonstrated to me on the equator with the same basin of water. Just a metre from the equator and the water went in one direction and a metre or say on the other side of the line and it span the other way. Not sure if this was a tourist scam or not…
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