Flat Earth?

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  • #822435
     Admin 
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    I don’t know how to quote a post here,

    Hi Mike. To stop quoting quotes that have been quoted by someone else’s quote that another quoted, well that was disabled.

    All you need to do now is select the relevant text that which you wish to copy or Add Media if you wish to quote an image and post that. But wrap that text and/or image to be quoted in the b-quote tag (button) if in Text mode or button in Visual mode.

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     t8 
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    Hi Miia.

    According to the theory, the sun goes under the disk. So it orbits the Earth above and below.

    While this explains day and night, it brings in a new complication. The theory rejects Sir Isaac Newton’s theory of gravity and states simply that we do not fall off the Earth because we sit on top of the disk. The seas do not flow over the edge because the circumference of the disk is surrounded by a high ice wall which is the Antarctica. All good so far, but what about the sun?

    @mikeboll64, how does the sun orbit the Earth in this manner and not fall down once it starts to go under the disk. If the stars are hanging in the firmament in the manner imagined by Flat Eeathers, then obviously the sun and moon cannot be hanging from the firmament. What of the sun’s cord or whatever hangs the sun above us? Why doesn’t it tangle with the Earth disc? If it is a property of gravity, then that negates the view that we live on the spherical Earth and would fall off.

    #822437
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    Hmm… even my snapshot is too big to upload. I could resize it to 512kb, but it already looks crappy at 1.27mb. 🙂 I guess you’ll have to take my word for it for now. But you can look online and see all kinds of photos of the Jan 31st blood moon, and you’ll see what I mean.

    t8, I’ll try to hit you up tomorrow morning.

    Hi @mikeboll64,

    What is the URL to the image? Or how big is it?

    I haven’t ever attempted to upload an image that was too big, so I am curious as to what the limit is. And I may be able to increase that.

    #822440
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Mike,

    Heb 11.1

    Now FAITH is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things NOT SEEN.

    For by it the men of old gained approval.

     

    But you ask that we deeply trust the evidence of our eyes?

    #822441
     t8 
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    Okay guys, let’s practice the KISS theory on this one, ie: “Keep It Simple Stupid”. First up, have any of you ever personally witnessed any earth curvature with your own eyes whatsoever in your lifetime?

    No. Never. I have accepted the Heliocentric view based on the scientific evidence presented to me. Yes there is a certain trust given in that, but I have also not seen the Sahara Desert but trust it is there because of the testimony of others. Too many others to doubt it. Likewise the Heliocentric view has many testimonies  (obviously less than the Sahara Desert theory) which I find adequate.

    Of course, as always, no matter how preposterous, I accept that the truth can be stranger than fiction and that the world is under the reign of liars and there are many misconceptions about the truth. However, the Heliocentric view was brought about by people of faith like Copernicus and Newton. The latter, was a man with one of the greatest minds in science, yet one of the greatest defenders of scripture. It is said he studies scripture under the premise that it was inspired by God and he used it greatly in his pursuit of science and truth. He is the father of the scientific method. While he solved many of the mysteries of physics, he actually spent most of his life studying scripture itself.  He also didn’t believe in the Trinity Doctrine because it was not written and not alluded to. He is one of the least likely people to be involved in a mass conspiracy to make people believe in the Heliocentric view. In fact it was despicable religious institutions and religiously bigoted men that initially rejected the idea that the Earth went around the sun. Copernicus if I remember rightly was under house arrest for this view.

    That said, I am sure if I had the resources myself, I could test the Heliocentric theory out, but I have never felt the need to prove this based on the amount of evidence presented, but I am sure there would be ways to test it out even for the average man without relying on NASA. Further, I do not see how such a view affects the idea that there is a God and he made the Earth anyway. If Satan is behind the Heliocentric view, then for what purpose? The Heliocentric view is far grander than the Flat Earth view. The Flat Earth view looks very simple and finite. The Heliocentric view certainly speaks of the magnificence of God, his infinite nature, and is testimony that he is the lawgiver, so that men are without excuse to deny him based on the grandeur of the heavens above us. It also shows us the possibilities of many other worlds and ages. And I do not see the Heliocentric view as contradicting any scripture, so its reason doesn’t seem to be an attempt to dissuade men away from scripture and seeing it as irrelevant or false scientific thinking.

    #822443
     AndrewAD 
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    Yes people used to be forced to recant, tortured, or put to death for not believing such things. Thank God neither the church nor the bible are so infallible anymore.

    If Satan is behind the heliocentric theory I wonder what kind of game God and Satan were playing back then? Which one said” hey I bet you I can get that fellow to recant”, or ” I bet you I can get that fellow burnt at the stake”?

    #822448
     Anna Runions 
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    No such thing as flat earth.

    #822451
     miia 
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    My dad believes in the flat Earth, and my mum laughs at him. Mind you he used to believe people were watching us through the television, and she used to laugh at that too. Today, he would be correct.

    The thought of the universe… Is amazing. I’m reading a fiction story atm, about a group of Jesuit priests who are sent to make contact with human life on another planet (Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell).

    Anything is possible.

    #822452
     Anna Runions 
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    I am surprised to see flat earthers here, on this site.

    #822454
     Lightenup 
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    I agree with you Anna, it can’t be both flat and round. Welcome to HN!

    Blessings, LU

    #822456
     miia 
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    Hi t8 and Mike, the meme I posted showed up in my FB thread, which is the only reason I posted it! Thanks for explaining.

    I see Mike’s reasoning… that if the Earth was flat, and the stars were designed purely for lighting the flat Earth (as I believe they were anyway – much like a room with lights)… then it would shock many.

    We are led to believe the Earth is a ball like all the other planets, in a huge universe where Earth is merely a speck of dust, or even invisible in size comparison.

    This is not something i have ever thought about. Perhaps my old man is on to something aye! Who knows.

    #822464
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Mike….tell me this, if the earth is flat as the theory postulates, then why does the day light keep changing back and forth through out the year, north pole for instances goes from almost complete darkness to nearly complete light, through our lunar travel around the sun? Does that not prove we are round and we are traveling around the sun at a angled pitch?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

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     mikeboll64 
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    Nick: “What does a FIRMAMENT sound like to you?

    Sounds like this…

    Job 37:18… Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

    Isaiah 40:22… He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth… He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

    Psalm 19:4, 6…  In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun… It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other…

    Psalm 104:2-3… He stretches out the heavens like a tent, and lays the beams of his upper chambers on their waters.

    The firmament is strong, like molten glass.  God sits ABOVE the circle of the earth, which means there truly is an up and a down, unlike the secular model.  He stretches out the heavens like a tent, which doesn’t sound like a vast endless expanse of space to me.  The sun resides within the tent, and runs on an appointed circuit from one end of the heavens to the other.  Does that apply in the heliocentric model?  And God built his upper chambers on the waters of the heavens (the ones He separated from the waters below with the firmament).  Are the heavens made of water in the secular model?

    I don’t want to blow your questions off, as I understand you are being asked to reconsider something that has been strongly ingrained in you since you were very young.  But I’m not going to be able to make my case if I’m bombarded by 20 questions from you for every post I make.  I humbly ask for your patience, and that you ask yourself as I’m presenting my evidence:  “How DO I know that we live on a spinning ball flying millions of miles an hour through the huge, mostly empty expanse of space?”  You’ll find that the only answer to that question is:  “Other people have TOLD me that.”

    #822469
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Mike,

    So, to you, FIRMAMENT just means SKY?

    Molten glass is strong in what way?

    Nothing like framework?

    Any witnesses?

     

    #822470
     mikeboll64 
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    T8: “According to the theory, the sun goes under the disk. So it orbits the Earth above and below.”

    Not at all.  The sun remains always above the earth as it runs its circuit from “one end of the heavens to the other”.

    Gene:  “…why does the day light keep changing back and forth through out the year, north pole for instances goes from almost complete darkness to nearly complete light…”

    This video runs through an entire year on the flat earth.  Notice how the sun circles closer to the center (the North Pole) during the northern summer months, thus providing more heat in the US, England, Russia, etc.  But then it moves outward during the winter months of those northern countries, bringing more heat to the southern locations like Australia, New Zealand and Argentina.

    Just watch for a few minutes, and you should get the idea.

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