Firstborn of/over all creation

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     t8 
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    “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all things and by means of him all things were made to exists.”

    – The Bible

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Indeed the Spirit is of eternity.

    The Word was with God and the Word was God.

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     t8 
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    13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
    14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
    16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
    17 He is before all things, and in Him all things [z]hold together.
    18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
    19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

    THE SON IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD.

    We must be careful that we do not deny the son of God.

    #822143
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    God is Spirit.

    Now the Lord is the Spirit.

    The Son is the image of the Father.

    #822147
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8….ARE WE NOT ALSO MADE IN THE “IMAGE” OF GOD? “In the image of God created them, male and female created He (GOD THE FATHER) THEM.

    BEING IN GOD’S LIKENESS IN NO WAY MEANS YOU ARE A GOD T8.

    THE image created by the fallen church of Jesus being a God is a “Lie”, and JESUS never created anything himself, he himself could not do anything, of himself. Yes, we are to honor and bow to the authority of JESUS, (TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER) lets not leave that part out, lest you fall into error of many T8.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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     Jodi 
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    “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.”

    Who is the HIM?

    First recall the PROMISE, then recall that Jesus the MAN was PERFECTED on earth and BECAME the Son of God, he is called the firstborn over all creation, WHICH CREATION? The creation that turned to a world of sin? …or the creation that starts from the FIRSTBORN of the dead?

    “For by Him”, represents the MAN who was raised from the dead, of which was foreknown and foreordained before the creation in Genesis.

     

    #822230
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Jodi good point, i also believe this whole creation was planned for mankind from the very beginning, even future planets in the heavens will be colonienized by mankind i believe. “For it has not even entered into the mind of man the things God has prepaird for us.” We are God’s highest creation, we will even judge angels according to scriptures, God has crowned us with glory and honor and has put everything under the foot of man just as it says, “in that he sayeth “all” things there is “nothing” that is not under the foot of man. Jesus is the first to achieve that goal, we are to follow him with God’s help.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    Planets governed by men?

    That is a Mormon fantasy too.

     

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     Ed J 
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    Hi T8,

    Indeed the Spirit is of eternity.

    The Word was with God and the Word was God.

    Hi Nick,

    I fully agree with you here.

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    God bless
    Ed J

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     Ed J 
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    “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.”

    Who is the HIM?

    First recall the PROMISE, then recall that Jesus the MAN was PERFECTED on earth and BECAME the Son of God, he is called the firstborn over all creation, WHICH CREATION? The creation that turned to a world of sin? …or the creation that starts from the FIRSTBORN of the dead?

    “For by Him”, represents the MAN who was raised from the dead, of which was foreknown and foreordained before the creation in Genesis.

    Good post Jodi

    #822238
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,

    It is God that creates by His Spirit.

    The Spirit given to the man.

    The Spirit of Christ.

    #822243
     GeneBalthrop 
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    To all…. The spirit of Christ, is not saying Jesus’ spirit he was born with, but the spirit he recieved into him when he was baptized at the Jordan River, better translated as “the spirit of the anointing” which is the spirit Jesus recieved and the same spirit the Saints have recieved also. Thats the way i see it.

    Peace and love to you all and yours. ……..gene

    #822251
     Ed J 
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    Hi,

    It is God that creates by His Spirit.

    The Spirit given to the man.

    The Spirit of Christ.

    No Nick,

    Read Proverbs 30 verse 4

    Jesus was the spirit of Christ incarnated. (see Micah 5:2)

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    God Bless
    Ed J

    #822252
     Ed J 
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    Hi,

    It is God that creates by His Spirit.

    The Spirit given to the man.

    The Spirit of Christ.

    No Nick,

    Read Proverbs 30 verse 4

    Jesus was the spirit of Christ incarnated. (see Micah 5:2)

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    God Bless
    Ed J

    #822253
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    Who is His son’s name?

    A prophetic question.

    The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

    What which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the word of life.

     

    The Spirit of Christ.

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