Firstborn of/over all creation

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     Anthony 
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    Nick you can’t even see that He was speaking through His only begotten Son back them it was the Spirit of Jesus Christ as scriptures tell us. God bless Jesus Christ is more then just  a man. can’t you see that, that his birth is way different then ours. His Father was God. And the Spirit over shadow the Virgin Mary. Send by God. God bless Nick

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     Anthony 
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    Jodi did you even read what I wrote your not really saying anything about the scriptures I used  or proofing that Jesus Christ didn’t pre-existed what’s up? God bless.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    Scripture tells us he was a man, but you tend to disagree?

    Greek theology would prefer that he be a god.

    Can you follow him?

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     Anthony 
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    Hi Nick

    The New Testament is full of references to the divinity of Christ, it’s difficult to deny. But you will, your doctorine is in- bedded in your mind you need to cast out that spirit of doctorine. I’ll send the Scripture’s if you want, I don’t think it will do any good right now. God bless Nick.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Anthony. . Show us a single scripture where Jesus ever sai, “I was (alive) before Abraham.” Jesus saying I am before Abraham, is a far cry from saying he was “ALIVE” before Abraham was. But trinitarians are good at streaching the truth to fit their doctrines, arn’t they?

    2 comandment….”You shall have (NÒ) other God besides me.” But you people say we will have as many God’s as we want.

    You willfully violate God’s commandments, and create other Gods, that called idolatry. IMO.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

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     Anthony 
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    Hi Gene   for one thing I’m not a trinitarians. You read what I wrote about Abraham and Jesus Christ go back and read it again Gene. I like share this one with you, about Jesus Christ pre-existing.

     

    And now, O Father, glorify Me together [b]with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. God bless Gene hang in there

    #832135
     Anthony 
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    “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! Gene do you believe that a man just like you can do this because your anointed just like the man Jesus Christ was, so you say. God bless in Him Anthony

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Anthony. …in fact if it wasen’t a man just like me, infact exactly like me that did not sin, his death could never take away sins, for by man sin intered into this world and by a man it was atoned fore. But yoybelieve it was a a preexisting God or demagod of some kind that did it.

    Moving Jesus’ (exact idenity) with mankind in any way denys not only who he is, but destorys his work as a human being exactly like us, only without sin. He is God the Father perfected human being, which is what God has planned for us all. The same God who perfected the man Jesus will also perfect us as his brothers and sisters.

    We do not move Jesus’ idenity with us away from us at all, in anyway.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    The choice of an unblemished Lamb was from the flock of mankind.

    Surely you can understand this?

    #832144
     Lightenup 
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    The Great Shepherd became the unblemished Lamb. The originator of creation also became the Savior of creation.

    1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi LU,

    Indeed God was in Christ reconciling the World to Himself.

    Of course the Son of God was not God but God’s Son.

    #832146
     Lightenup 
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    You change scripture to suit you, Nick, is that what we are to do?

    1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

    God was manifest in the flesh,

    justified in the Spirit,

    seen of angels,

    preached unto the Gentiles,

    believed on in the world,

    received up into glory.

    Who was justified in Spirit, who was seen of angels, who was believed on in the world and who was received up into glory…was the Father received up into glory?? The Son was God manifested in flesh, justified in Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.

    Whoever was received up into glory is the One manifested in flesh. The Father was not received up into glory, the Son was.

    #832147
     NickHassan 
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    Hi LU,

    You do know that Jesus of Nazareth was anointed with the Holy Spirit?

     

    The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

    God was at work in him to will and to do,

    (as with his brothers and sisters)

     

    Why do you still confuse the vessel with the blessed contents?

    #832148
     NickHassan 
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    Hi LU,

    Listen to John in his first letter.

    He understood that to see and touch the vessel Jesus was to see and touch the Spirit of the Son in him.

    Hear O Israel, God is one.

    #832155
     Anthony 
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    Hi Gene.     I said this to you.

    Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! Gene do you believe that a man just like you can do this because your anointed just like the man Jesus Christ was, so you say.          Then you come back and said:.

    Anthony. …in fact if it wasen’t a man just like me, infact exactly like me that did not sin, his death could never take away sins, for by man sin intered into this world and by a man it was atoned fore. But yoybelieve it was a a preexisting God or demagod of some kind that did it. So is that a yes, you can take away the sins of the world because your a man just like Jesus Christ is and your anointed just like the man Jesus Christ is. So that’s a yes. God bless Gene

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