Firstborn of/over all creation

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    Remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return.

    Born of earth as far as the outer man goes and the body returns to the dust of earth.

    But the inner man is a living soul that is of the breath of the eternal God of heaven and earth.

    And the life is from the spirit.

    #830622
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….scripture please , show a single scripture that says that. I have never seem one scripture that say the inner “man” is the soul of a man. The word “man” means a (flesh) human being as far as i know, and that “flesh” man is what became a “living” soul, before he became a “living soul” he was a dead soul. When our flesh dies we are a dead soul, no longer a living Soul. Our ‘souls” see corruption in the Grave, they must be restored in order for us to live again. A resurection of that dead body must take place for us to live again, just like it was for Jesus. No difference the same thing must happen to us like it did him. IMO.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #830623
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    2 Cor 4.16

    Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day.

     

    The body is decaying but the living soul is being enlivened more each day.

    Is 60.1

    Arise, shine ; for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord has arisen on you.

    For behold, darkness will cover the earth and deep darkness the people;

    But the Lord will rise upon you and His glory will appear before you.

    Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your rising.

    Lift up your eyes round about and see; they all gather together, they come to you.

    Your sons will come from afar, and your daughters will be carried in the arms.

    Then you will see and be radiant, and your heart will thrill and rejoice.

     

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     Ed J 
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    Hi Nick, Gene is right:

    …the soul is the body WITH its spirit.
    Glad you understand the obvious Gene!

    _______________
    Your brother
    in Christ
    Ed J

    #830643
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    Any scriptures?

    #830662
     NickHassan 
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    Hi ed

    ‘The soul is the body with it’s spirit’

    You disappoint me.

    #830664
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….have you thrown out the exact scriptures i quoted in Genesis that show “exactly” what a living soul consists of. Go back and reread it slowly, and except it as the “truth” ignori g them or tryibg to change them to meet you ideas, doesn’t work brother.

    Try again…

    Gen 2:7….”and the LORD GOD formed “MAM” of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and (MAN) became A LIVING (SOUL).

    Now what makes up a “living soul? , dust of the ground with the breath of life “IN” IT. Nick how could you possible not understand that.

    The concept of a (soul) still living after it dies is a false pagan concept, it is not true. When Jesus said he was dead he really meant it, if he were not resurected he still would be dead. Surely you believe what he himself said right? “I was dead and now (after the resurection ) am alive forever more”.

    It is apsolutely crucial we all attain to the resurection, “that will wittness the redemption of our (BODIES).”

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    Man (dust)

    became (changed to)

    a living (spirit)

    SOUL.

    1Peter 1.9

    ..’obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your SOULS’

    Flesh contributes nothing. Jn 6

     

    #830679
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….who is saying “flesh contributes any thing” that does not take way the fact the body does furnish us a house use to live in, along with our heavenly Father, Who makes it a holy temple to live in. Our flesh is like a covering, a housing our minds and spirits live in.

    But i see no scripture that say our “Soul” is seperate from our body, in fact i have showed you clearly, what a soul is. And there are scroptures that show Jesus was actually dead, when his “body died” at least that is what he said anyway.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #830680
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    Jesus died and his own spirit returned to God.

    And, his soul yet living by the Holy Spirit in him, he visited the spirits in prison.

    Coming back into his damaged body he was resurrected to fulfill the sign of Jonah then taken up to his Father.

    #830681
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    ‘The body does furnish us a house’

    Did you mean to say this because it means that YOU dwell in a body.

    I agree!

    #830683
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    If you are so easily convinced that Jesus is a liar speaking superstitious nonsense

    by a sweet talking intellectual legalist that fires a million words at you

    then how will you stand when times get tough?

    #830684
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    So you doubt one scripture and your doubts develop about all his work?

    Such is the power of the enemy called doubt.

    It causes you to trust yourself.

    #830685
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    So you read the words of Jesus Christ and the Spirit of truth tells you you have to read between the lines

    because he was not saying what he believed but just responding to their beliefs?

    Did I understand correctly?

    You didn’t. His words are from his Father and are spirit and life to believers.

    #830686
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    You need to make up your mind.

    A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

    If you add to your doubts you can expect nothing from the Lord.

    James 1

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