Firstborn of/over all creation

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    In the days of his flesh and after fulfilling the sign of Jonah, Jesus said.

    ‘A spirit does not have flesh and bones as I have’

    But you think you are a spirit?

     

    The Spirit of MAN returns to God at death according to scripture.

    Do you think this means all sinners return to God BEFORE the final judgement?

     

    If so do they have to come back for the judgement?

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     Ed J 
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    Hi Ed,

    ‘….And the spirit returns to God Who gave it’

    ‘ To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.’

    These mean the same thing to you?

    Hi Nick,

    Yes

    #830595
     Ed J 
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    Hi Ed,

    (1)Body, soul and spirit according to 1thess 5.23.

    But you add MIND and say you are the spirit?

    (2)Ecc 12 says man’s spirit returns to God at death.

    But you think that means the man himself?

    (3)Salvation of the soul is the purpose of faith. 1 Peter.

    But somehow you think it is the human spirit?

    Hi Nick,

    1) Is your mind not part of you?
    2) No Nick, the essence of the man himself.
    3) No Nick, the spirit Goes back to God (in either case)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #830596
     Ed J 
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    Ed J, explain how your understanding makes any sense given these scriptures above?

    Do you realize what this is saying Ed J and how it relates to 2 Corinthians 5?

    Hi Jodi,

    You have a lot of stuff posted
    but the point you are trying to make is not coming through.

    So I would ask:
    explain how your understanding makes any sense

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #830597
     Ed J 
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    Hi Ed,

    In the days of his flesh and after fulfilling the sign of Jonah, Jesus said.

    ‘A spirit does not have flesh and bones as I have’

    (1)But you think you are a spirit?

    The Spirit of MAN returns to God at death according to scripture.

    (2)Do you think this means all sinners return to God BEFORE the final judgement?

    (3)If so do they have to come back for the judgement?

    Hi Nick,

    1) Jesus was saying he wasn’t a “Ghost” (a disembodied spirit)
    2) No, all sinners return to God FOR the final judgement.
    3) No, the judgment determines their placement.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #830598
     Ed J 
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    The body is dead, you are absent from your body, if you are IN the Spirit then you are at home with the Lord. This is all spiritual, as their bodies aren’t literally dead, it represents that they have FAITH in God and they do not have faith in their own flesh, you are sick of your weak corruptible flesh you long for a new uncorruptible body that does not tempt you anymore.

    Oh sorry Jodi,

    (1)Amidst all the clutter in your post (2)I missed the explanation of your understanding

    clutter

    1. a condition of disorder, or a lot of objects that are in a state of disorder

    2. to fill or cover with scattered or disordered things that
    impede movement or reduce the effectiveness
    (of conveying your understanding to me)

    #830604
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    You say that the spirit is the essence of a man.

    Any scriptures?

    Scripture says in Genesis that by the breath of God man became a living soul.

    Scripture says in Heb 4 that there is a division between the soul and the spirit.

    Scripture tells us that at death man does not return to God for judgement but the spirit does return.

    Scripture speaks of Sheol and the mansions of Christ as places of waiting till all are ready for judgement

    Those in Christ die and their spirit returns to God but they have eternal life in his Spirit.

    #830608
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    Yes the mind is an attribute of the soul, not the spirit.

    The spirit gives life to the soul and the  body.

    ‘Man became a LIVING soul.’

    ‘The body without the spirit is dead’

    #830610
     Ed J 
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    Hi Ed,

    You say that the spirit is the essence of a man.

    Any scriptures?

    Hi Nick,

    Thank you for providing the Scripture…

    Hi Ed,
    ‘The body without the spirit is dead’

    #830611
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    Rev 20.23

    Then I saw a great white throne and Him Who sat upon it, from Whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, accept riding to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one by f them according to their deeds.

     

    But according to you men , (as the human spirits of men), had already returned to God whether they had died, in their sins or not. God is sovereign and all powerful and does not tolerate sin. I believe you need to rethink this.

    #830612
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    So you see no division between soul and spirit?

    #830613
     GeneBalthrop 
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    To all…yes the “BODY” WITHOUT THE SPIRIT “IS” DEAD. Thats what “dies” and corupts in the ground, that “soul” is dead forever, just like any animal no more life in that body, until God by his spirit forms ANOTHER Body, like The way he did FOR ADAM AND EVE, and puts the breath of life back into in , it, (that soul that died) would never again return to life, but GOD uses the same DNA, and gives us another speritualy generated “BODY”, just like the body Adam had, a spritual generated body, that can live forever, if given to eat of the tree of life, just as Adams body could have also if he was allow to eat of the tree of life.

    Why do you think it says, “EVERY “HAIR” ON YOUR HEAD IS NUMBERED” why number them if they were going to be done away with, no point in numbering them right? Our DNA, contains every single part of us in it’s our generic code, nothing is lost for GOD THE FATHER TO REGENRATE OUR BODIES AGAIN. We should all be able to understand that in this day and age.

    Peace and love to you all and yours. …….gene

    #830614
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    You are unique.

    Nobody else thinks the body is the soul.

     

    #830615
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….WHAT DOES IT SAY, read it slow and carefully, Gen 2:7 .., “And the LORD GOD formed “man” of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and “THE MAN” became or came to be, A (LIVING SOUL”.

    Now what came to be a living (soul) the “MAN”, but you say no, the “man” is not a living SOUL. It may make me unique Nick, But it is because your not believing what is clearly written there Nick.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #830616
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    It is sad that your hope is for the flesh to live forever.

    We will be like to the angels.

    God is spirit.

     

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