June 11, 2018 at 11:49 am #830579
Surely you would not question the justice of God?
His ways are inscrutable.June 11, 2018 at 11:52 am #830580
Nick…As far as choice goes, i agree it is “our” choice that determines what we do, if we allow our lusts and pride to always control “US” we will die, and be destoryed, unless we repent of “OUR” SINS, AND ASK THE FATHER TO FORGIVE “US” and “Cleanse “US” WE WILL DIE.
WE HAVE AN EDGE BECAUSE WE ARE NOW UNDER THE GRACE OF THE FATHER, AND HE HAS SENT HIS SPIRIT INTO US, TO GUIDE US TO TRUE REPENTENCE AND STRENGTHEN US SO WE CAN WALK IN HIS WAYS.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……geneJune 11, 2018 at 12:08 pm #830582
Search me, O God, and know my heart; try me and know my anxious thoughts;
And see if there be any hurtful way in me, and lead me in the everlasting way.June 11, 2018 at 12:43 pm #830584
Nick….It isn’t satan that sets the mark of what is good or evil, he did not create the tree of good and evil that was in the garden, it was God himself that did, he himself created good and evil and made it part of what life is, Satan has not power to force us to do either good or evil. God only has that power, and he alone creates it, just as SCRIPTURE SAYS, JODI HAS QUOTED IT FOR US, A FEW TIMES BROTHER.
WE either believe what scriptures say or not, and God said “HE” created and did those things Jodi quoted. I understood that a long time ago, I don’t fear satan at all, BUT I fear God the Father, just as Jesus told us to.
Man i whished i lived close to you, i would be over your house probably everyday brother, you remind me of a dear friend of mine who passed away around 5 yrs ago, we spoke about the kingdom of God and scriptures for 40 yrs, we would get together two or three times a week, he was closer then my own brother to me. Our families wifes, kids and all, would go and keep the feast of tabernacles at lake Tahoe year after year.
I have a lot of old friends my age, some i even went to school with and my childern live close to me and grandchildren to. But i can’t really get into a deep bible descussion with them, like i can with you and a few others here, this is site is my only real spritual outlet i have now, outside of prayer and meditation.
My dad also loved to talk about the bible with me to?
One day I might be keeping the feast of tabernacles together with my old friend Pete, you, Jodi and others here to. I look forward to really seening,and spending time with you and her, and others also.
Peace and love to you and yours ……geneJune 11, 2018 at 4:11 pm #830588
Tree of good and evil?
Which bible are you using??
Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.
The Lord God commanded the man saying,
’ From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;
but from the tree of THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die’
KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL relates more to a sense of morality or conscience.June 12, 2018 at 2:20 am #830601
Nick, yea i was meaning the tree, of the “knowledge” of good and evil.
Yes that tree already existed before man kind did, another words, that knowledge of what is good and evil, preexisted, but the warning was, don’t “eat” (take to yourself) from the “tree”, (to produce from self) the knowledge of good and evil, why?, because if they do, it would require for them to experence themselves both, good and evil, in order to get that knowledge,
God was warning them not to learn what good and evil was by experiencing it themselves, but they chose to go ahead and eat (take to themselves) to produce from themselves (like a tree) that knowledge, and hence the condition we all had to go through, to learn it for ourselves. On the one hand a terrible experience, on the other, to be more like God. So pehaps in the end it may have been worth it all.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..geneJune 12, 2018 at 6:55 am #830607
You have added the bit about LEARNING.
It is the TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
Nothing about learning.June 13, 2018 at 2:29 am #830666
Nick…its (ALL) about learning, or there would be no reason for this whole thing. “Know you not that you shall all be (Taught) by GOD.” SAYS JESUS. Yes this whole experience is God the Father teaching us all. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ……geneJune 13, 2018 at 3:10 am #830667JodiParticipant
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Nick of course the problem is within the flesh, just as Jesus said that sin comes from within.
Within the flesh is the mind of man
within the flesh is our carnal NATURE
Within the flesh lies our carnal instincts
Within the flesh lies a man’s ignorance
Within the flesh lies OUR imagination
Ephesians 2: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Nick you flat out deny this scripture, the desires of the flesh that lead to sin are according to OUR NATURE, not according to influence of wicked rebel spirits. What you speak is the EXACT OPPOSITE of biblical truth.
Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
The bible tells us directly that carnally minded is of our NATURE, it is the SAME nature of animals, of serpents, of dogs that go after their OWN VOMIT.
11 As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly.
22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
3 They make their tongues as sharp as a serpent’s; the poison of vipers is on their lips.
Isaiah 59:1 Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear. 2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. 3 For your hands are stained with blood, your fingers with guilt. Your lips have spoken falsely, and your tongue mutters wicked things.
Nick people don’t lie because they are under enticements from wicked spirits, they lie because they are like other carnal creatures.
4 No one calls for justice; no one pleads a case with integrity. They rely on empty arguments, they utter lies; they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.
MEN give birth to evil from their own imaginations. Wicked spirits do NOT give birth to evil and then possess men with it.
5 They hatch the eggs of vipers and spin a spider’s web. Whoever eats their eggs will die, and when one is broken, an adder is hatched. 6 Their cobwebs are useless for clothing; they cannot cover themselves with what they make. Their deeds are evil deeds, and acts of violence are in their hands. 7 Their feet rush into sin; they are swift to shed innocent blood. They pursue evil schemes; acts of violence mark their ways. 8 The way of peace they do not know; there is no justice in their paths. They have turned them into crooked roads; no one who walks along them will know peace.
Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
Why is Jesus calling them vipers and not wicked spirits Nick? Why is Jesus likening men to OTHER CARNAL creatures? Because they are blind and deaf like a snake, which is of their NATURE.
Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. 12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” 13 “Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit.”“The poison of vipers is on their lips.” 14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
This MAKES them an ADVERSARY, the fact that they are following their carnal nature, they are like serpents blind and deaf to God.
Psalms 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Nick you want to say that being carnal is to walk under the influence of wicked spirits, but it is to walk as other MEN walk, and that is like that of dumb dogs who return to their vomit.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The natural man Nick! The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God they are foolish to him, because he is like a natural beast, like a serpent who has OBSCURED VISION and is DEAF.
Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
1 Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Psalms 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.
Isaiah 56:10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
psalms 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
Proverbs 1:31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
Proverbs 12:2 A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD: but a man of wicked devices will he condemn.
Proverbs 14:17 He that is soon angry dealeth foolishly: and a man of wicked devices is hated
Proverbs 19:21 There are many devices in a man’s heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.
ISAIAH 32:7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
This is a MAN who is an ADVERSARY he deviseth wicked devices with LYING words, he is a SLANDERER.
Jeremiah 18:12 And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.
2 Corinthians 2:11 that we may not be over-reached by the Adversary, for of his devices we are not ignorant.
ALL these scripture tell us that the OLD SERPENT in the garden of Eden represents mankind that is an ignorant creature. Adam and Eve were born ignorant and they showed themselves to be fools looking for wisdom outside of God, looking to obtain wisdom from that which is CARNAL, from their own devices.June 13, 2018 at 4:42 am #830668
‘Men lie because they are like other carnal creatures?’
Other carnal creatures do not lie do they?
Satan was a liar from the beginning.
Men whose hearts are his, lie.
The whole world is under the power of the evil one.June 13, 2018 at 4:56 am #830669
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
IN WHICH YOU FORMERLY WALKED,
ACCORDING TO THE COURSE OF THIS WORLD,
ACCORDING TO THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR,
OF THE SPIRIT THAT IS WORKING IN THE SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE.
Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh,
indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind,
and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
So those who are under the power of the evil one, the whole world
except those rescued from the domain of darkness,
are led to think and do evil things, to walk according to the evil ways of sin in the flesh.June 13, 2018 at 6:25 am #830670
The creation of God was very good.
Animals are not evil by nature.
By their fruit you will know them
Out of the mouth comes what the heart is full of.
The sons of the serpent of old are like him, and are the brood of vipers.
Two choices, to become sons of the Father or remain as sons and daughters of disobedienceJune 13, 2018 at 6:39 am #830671
Animals can’t speak so they cannot lie like men
But when the devil is imprisoned for the seventh biblical day
the lion will lie down with the lamb and the child will play in the asp’s nest.June 13, 2018 at 6:42 am #830672
Yes man is an ignorant creature so easily led by the Prince of the power of the air,
yet his weakness is that he thinks he is so clever and understands much, but all is vanity.
Satan wanders the earth seeking whom he may devour and most of the time it seems easy work.
The spirit that is now working in the sons and daughters of disobedience is not the Holy Spirit.
It is our job to offer them forgiveness, freedom and the reconconciliation of God.June 13, 2018 at 6:56 am #830673
The Spirit cannot teach those whose own ideas are fixed in place.
We must submit our minds and be transformed by renewal.
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