June 7, 2018 at 9:49 am #830294GeneBalthropParticipant
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NICK…The flesh can live forever, SCRIPTURE SAYS CLEARLY ADAM COULD HAVE, JUST AS HE WAS, by eating of the tree of life, and it was certainly in the garden for them to eat from, untill God stopped them from eating from it.
No scripture say Adam or Eve was going to die, “unless” they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So obviously they were originally created to live the way they were created for ever, with the bodies they had, a body that could keep regenerating itself. Even God himself said they could have, right?
If God wanted us to be spirits being why make us physical being in the first place? I believe God wants us to live in bodies like houses, so he can also live with us for ever, so he dan be “in” all and “through” all. Now if we were to be just spirits without bodies then how could he “live” “IN” US, AND WHY EVEN HAVE US HOPE IN A RESURECTION OF A BODY? why “Redeem” our bodies for, why is “IT” sown and “IT” raised for?
You get my point Nick.
peace and love to you and yours. ……geneJune 7, 2018 at 10:15 am #830295
You presume that the body of Adam could have lasted forever.
It is not written
Spirits without bodies?
The new spiritual body like the glorious one of our Master is the hope.
For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with him in glory.June 7, 2018 at 11:20 am #830297
NOPE I specifically said that he had an immortal body, that is NOT the same as eternal life with an immortal body.
Death was brought in after they sinned, did they DIE right then and there, NO, but they did begin to grow old, they did begin to experience pain, they did become able to get sick, and then they did eventually die.June 7, 2018 at 11:23 am #830298
What are you taking about? Acts 9 says that Saul ONLY heard Jesus’s voice, it specifically says he did not see him. If he did see him why on earth would you think that he had a torn battered body? He didn’t have one when he was raised from the dead, he had a body that was healed and that had eternal life.
Nick God has the power to heal the body, even in mortals God programmed us to heal from wounds. The scripture directly says that God did not ALLOW the body of Jesus to decay, he raised it to immortality for an eternity, and therefore his wounds would obviously be healed.June 7, 2018 at 11:23 am #830299
Where does scripture say he had an immortal body?
Where does it say Adam experienced pain and sickness before his death at over 900 years?June 7, 2018 at 11:27 am #830300
Did Jesus not come and speak to Saul?
Thomas put his fingers into the holes in his hands and put his hand into the hole in his side?
Do you think these injuries are still open wounds?June 7, 2018 at 11:37 am #830301
Scripture says that life is in the blood.
The man Jesus was raised in a flesh and bones body.
That body was yet unhealed when he showed it a few days later to Thomas.
Do you presume that this natural body without blood had the power to completely heal itself?
And you presume that bodies that are not heavenly or like to the angels can enter heaven and live there?June 7, 2018 at 11:45 am #830302
The promise made to Jesus in s that his body would not corrupt and the promise was fulfilled.
The sign of Jonah was fulfilled as another man who died came back to his natural body.
He was not promised that this torn body would heal and become immortal.June 7, 2018 at 11:51 am #830303
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Jesus wanted to make sure that they understood that he was flesh and bones, that he in fact was the raised seed of David, as was promised. In order to bring people into belief if needed he had them touch him.
John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing…29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
I have not seen, but I believe that Jesus was raised the seed of David and that he was raised in glory and power in a flesh and bones body.June 7, 2018 at 12:18 pm #830305
Yes he proved his body was the one they knew.
So how does this relate to the imagined healing and immortality of his flesh?June 7, 2018 at 12:25 pm #830307
Nick, Jesus was raised a spiritual body. I don’t think you understand what that means.
When Jesus was mortal he was spiritually minded, his spirit/mind and heart was faithful to God to perfection. God perfected a man’s spirit even when he was in weak flesh, that weak flesh tempted Jesus but he denied it. Jesus no longer has weak flesh to bother him because he has perfect flesh, flesh that does not hunger, flesh that does get exhausted, flesh that does not feel pain, flesh that does not get sick, flesh that does not grow old, flesh that does not die. Jesus no longer has weak flesh. Do you get that Nick?
The spiritual body is the joining of a perfected human spirit with a perfect human body, where death and the package that comes with it no longer has dominion.
Jesus is of the seed of David, and he has a perfected HUMAN MIND with a PERFECT human body.June 7, 2018 at 12:29 pm #830308
Do you think that the damaged body that Jesus showed to Thomas is the new spiritual body?
Is that your hoped for inheritance too?June 7, 2018 at 12:39 pm #830310
What is this PERFECTED HUMAN SPIRIT?
At death the human spirit returns to God as Eccl 12 tell us and scripture tells us about Jesus at Calvary.
A PERFECTED BODY does not appear in scripture either.
But it does say THE PERISHABLE SHALL NOT INHERIT THE IMPERISHABLE.June 7, 2018 at 12:48 pm #830313GeneBalthropParticipant
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Nick….but it is written,
Gen 3:22….And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live (FOREVER).
Verse 28….And God set Cherubims with flaming swords which turned every way to keep the way of the (tree of life), why so the man could get to it and eat and live (forever).
To say he could not have lived forever, in his existing body, simply isn’t true.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..geneJune 7, 2018 at 1:14 pm #830317
Nick he was RAISED WITH eternal life and then he appeared to people with flesh and bones, that would mean that his flesh and bones had eternal life.
So why would it be necessary for him to be changed into something else?
If you don’t want to understand that when Paul said flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom as to mean that you must be born of the Spirit to obtain the kingdom, that is fine. But you can’t use it as representing that Jesus had to undergo an additional change because the scriptures say flesh and bones not flesh and blood. Your DNA is not linked just to your blood, so that is not an issue keeping Jesus as a literal seed of David being given eternal life.
The only thing that is wrong with a human is lack of faith and a body that can die. God can fix both with His Spirit.
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