Do spirits have bodies?

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     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (toby @ Mar. 17 2012,23:26)
    You propose an agreement that I should not mention your name in this thread nor refer any posts in this thread to you.

    Well, I can do that.

    Will you refrain from tempting me by referring to me and refraining from posting to me?

    If so, then we have an agreement.


    The “tempting” part is the reason I prefer you just leave my name out of your posts altogether.  Because once I read a derogatory statement about how “Mike stupidly thinks this” or “Mike idiotically believes that”, then I'm drawn right back into defending myself against your many novels – a place I'm trying desperately to avoid.  Not because your points are worth the space on this site they take up, but because I just don't have the interest or time to address your many novels.

    Toby, forget my last post.  You do what you want.  I've tried many times to just agree to disagree with you, but you apparently won't have it.  You gave your word that if I answered one last question, that would be the end of our discussion on this subject, but you reneged.

    I simply have no interest in discussing the man-made belief of “bodiless spirit beings” with you.  There is no scripture that mentions any “bodiless spirit being”, so all of it is from man's imagination.  On the contrary, many scriptures not only mention the bodies of angels, but describe them to a “T”.

    The rest of this questioning is nonsense in my eyes.  

    But you post what you want, okay?  I have the power to ignore.

    peace,
    mike

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     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 18 2012,09:55)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2012,13:47)
    Mark 5
    12 The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13 He gave them permission, and the evil spirits came out and went into the pigs.

    Demons are Satan's angels, Gene. (Rev 12:9)  They are beings, yet here are called both “demons” and “spirits”.


    Mike………Spirits are Intellects and can cause a person to Speak as they did in many people . They are not separate begins.


    Gene,

    Have you ever heard the phrase, “I think, therefore I am” ?

    If there is an “intellect” that has its own will and thoughts, it is a being.

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     Ed J 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2012,03:04)
    Gene,

    Have you ever heard the phrase, “I think, therefore I am” ?

    If there is an “intellect” that has its own will and thoughts, it is a being.


    Hi Mike,

    Sounds like a rebellious intellect to me.

    Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am; and shall deceive many.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285873
     mikeboll64 
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    Not sure what that means, Ed.

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     Ed J 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2012,03:35)
    Not sure what that means, Ed.


    Hi Mike,

    1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that
    Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285877
     GeneBalthrop 
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    MIke …..That does not fit, becasue a Being has both good and evil cognate thoughts , while a Spirit is a (ASPECT) of a PARTICULAR THOUGHT and there for does not a qualifier as a “BEING”

    It is like you are saying a SPOKE of a wheel is the wheel, when in fact it is just a particular PART of the complete Wheel. Same with Spirits they a just particular (PARTS) or aspects of the COMPLETE person who is a BEING, they are Not a complete being that can dwell with with Being as you and many assume by the way. If i say you have an unclean spirit in you, that does not mean that is your “COMPLETE” Being but Just an ASPECT of IT, is there and (IT) that aspect can be removed as Jesus did many times to people, get my point?

    The whole idea that a Spirit is a complete “BEING” is False, Satan is not a Person or Being (IT) is a Spirit which effect the Thoughts of a Person or Being.As all Spirits do. Life is derived from Spirits and the very same spirits can be in you me and everyone else at the same time and will cause the same effect in who ever they are in. Spirits are cognate Thoughts therefore they are what Life is and what ever type is residing in you that is what your life Is. All spirits desires us and it is a matter of what we let in that will effect our lives, therefor it says “the SPIRIT (GODS SPIRIT) EARNESTLY DESIRES US” and again. “LET THIS MIND BE (IN) YOU THAT WAS IN JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD”, and again, “I stand at the door and Knock and whoever open unto I will come in and and sup with Him and he with us”

    Mike i tell you if you came to understand this it will greately increase you understanding of scripture and remove MYSTERY RELIGIOUS Teaching from you mind and then will get clearer for you, and many thing written in scripture will fall into place for you. IMO

    peace and love…………………………………………………………….gene

    #285878
     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,10:38)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2012,03:35)
    Not sure what that means, Ed.


    Hi Mike,

    1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that
    Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J


    Still no help, Ed.

    Please just explain your last statement in easy to understand terms.

    #285879
     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 18 2012,10:49)
    MIke …..That does not fit, becasue a Being has both good and evil cognate thoughts , while a Spirit is a (ASPECT) of a PARTICULAR THOUGHT and there for does not a qualifier as a “BEING”


    Surely there is a scripture to teach me this concept, right Gene?

    Please list that scripture.

    Also, do you understand that demons are Satan's angels? YES or NO?

    Do you understand that angels are beings? YES or NO?

    #285884
     Ed J 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2012,03:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,10:38)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2012,03:35)
    Not sure what that means, Ed.


    Hi Mike,

    1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that
    Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J


    Still no help, Ed.

    Please just explain your last statement in easy to understand terms.


    Hi Mike,

    Did you click on the link?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Mike……….Hows this for what knows a man save the “SPIRIT” that is (IN) him

    Now this would be you version of that scripture…………”WHAT KNOWS A MAN SAVE THE SPIRIT “being” That is in the man.”, Tell us Mike how many of the “BEINGS are (IN) YOU? Please describe them for us, are they DEMON BEINGS, GOD BEINGS, GOOD BEINGS, EVIL BEINGS. WISE BEINGS , please tell us How many of these “BEINGS” exist (IN) YOU MIKE Seeing SPIRITS (ARE “Beings” themselves). Tells us Mike do they all have conferences in you head and each express his own separate opinions as a complete “being” would, or are they simply (INTELLECTS) that effect YOUR Thinking, and are not themselves separate “BEINGS” at ALL>

    Just describe one of these “SPIRIT BEINGS” tell us what the devil “LOOKS” Like at least Dante had an opinion what he looked like how about your what is yours. What is your rendition of what Spirit “LOOK” LIKE, tell us what God look like , or wisdom looks like or Satan looks like, or clean and unclean Spirit look like or Good or evil spirit look like Mike seeing you believe they are individual “BEINGS” let at least have one description of one of them MIKE>

    Face the truth Mike you can not describe any of them becasue they are not individual beings but are aspects of (INTELLECTS) or SPIRITS that are in all BEINGS who have “BODIES” that EXIST as TRUE “SEPARATE” BEINGS , Spirits are the life of all creation both in heave and on the earth. They are what LIFE (ITSELF) IS> And what ever sort of SPIRITS that are (IN) YOU is YOUR LIFE. We are the PRODUCTS of SPIRITS in FLESH “BODIES”. Any kind of Spirit is the “EXACT SAME” in everyone (IT) is IN, and give the EXACT SAME (INFLUENCE in that CREATURE (IT) IS IN. Rather Man or animal make no difference. The same spirit will alway produce the same effect.

    peace and love…………………………………………………….gene

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     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 18 2012,11:39)
    Mike……….Hows this for what knows a man save the “SPIRIT” that is (IN) him

    Now this would be you version of that scripture…………”WHAT KNOWS A MAN SAVE THE SPIRIT “being” That is in the man.”,


    No Gene,

    That would not be my version of that scripture, because I understand (like almost all people) the different meanings and uses of the word “spirit” in scripture.

    Sometimes it DOES refer to the spirit inside someone. But other times, the word “spirit” refers to an angel or a demon, which are spirit BEINGS.

    Would you answer my two questions with a simple “YES” or “NO”? Here they are again:

    Also, do you understand that demons are Satan's angels? YES or NO?

    Do you understand that angels are beings? YES or NO?

    #285897
     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,11:19)
    Hi Mike,

    Did you click on the link?


    No Ed.

    If you cannot explain it simply to me, then I'll just let it go in one ear and out the other.

    Thanks anyway.

    #285916
     Ed J 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2012,04:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2012,11:19)
    Hi Mike,

    Did you click on the link?


    No Ed.

    If you cannot explain it simply to me, then I'll just let it go in one ear and out the other.

    Thanks anyway.


    Hi Mike,

    So you didn't then; right?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2012,04:56)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 18 2012,11:39)
    Mike……….Hows this for what knows a man save the “SPIRIT” that is (IN) him

    Now this would be you version of that scripture…………”WHAT KNOWS A MAN SAVE THE SPIRIT “being” That is in the man.”,


    No Gene,

    That would not be my version of that scripture, because I understand (like almost all people) the different meanings and uses of the word “spirit” in scripture.

    Sometimes it DOES refer to the spirit inside someone.  But other times, the word “spirit” refers to an angel or a demon, which are spirit BEINGS.

    Would you answer my two questions with a simple “YES” or “NO”?  Here they are again:

    Also, do you understand that demons are Satan's angels?  YES or NO?

    Do you understand that angels are beings?  YES or NO?


    Mike………Answer to question one No i do not think DEMONS are Satan Angels. Because Spirit are not beings at all. but is what is (IN) Being , i don;t need to have many separate meaning and understandings of what Spirit are to fit scriptures, as you do MIKE>

    Your confusion lies in the fact you don't understand the word Angels can also mean messengers, and indeed Spirit are messages that can effect anyone they are (IN).

    Answer to question two is YES i do understand Angles “ARE” Being and they also have BODIES LIKE OUR except this can not die as ours can.

    Mike you say “SOMETIMES” when in fact it is all the time Spirit are what is (IN) BODIES not “SOMETIMES” as you would like us to believe.

    I noticed you do not answer my quotes but just vier off and ignore all the quoted scriptures why is that Mike?, is that becasue you can not say they don't exist and you really do not want to deal with the truth posted there or What?

    Go back and answer the quoted Scriptures Mike show us how GOD lied about there being NO OTHER GOD BUT HIM “ALONE”. NOW that i have answered you question with a YES or NO, NOW JUST answer Mine with a YES or NO answer, here they are.

    Number ONE………> Did Jesus say “THOU ART THE “ONLY ” TRUE GOD” ? YES or NO ?

    Number to two……> Did GOD say that he looked for another God , He know of NONE, YES or NO ?

    Number Three…….> Did Paul say , Though there be Many “CALLED” GODS , but unto us there is “BUT ” ONE GOD, YES OR NO ?

    A simple “YES” of “NO” will do MIKE, But “AVOIDANCE” will not Do. IMO

    peace an and love……………………………………….gene

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     toby 
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    Hi Mikeboll,
    Thank you for your response and I think I know how you must be feeling as you say in that response.

    As per our agreement I am allowed to use your name and address this last post to you and about you (Don't worry, I will be kind!)

    You said:

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    The “tempting” part is the reason I prefer you just leave my name out of your posts altogether.  Because once I read a derogatory statement about how “Mike stupidly thinks this” or “Mike idiotically believes that”, then I'm drawn right back into defending myself against your many novels – a place I'm trying desperately to avoid.  Not because your points are worth the space on this site they take up, but because I just don't have the interest or time to address your many novels.

    Thank you for that summary of your fears and feelings  concerning possible repercussions on what you may think I might have written. You needn't have worried yourself.

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    Toby, forget my last post.  You do what you want.  I've tried many times to just agree to disagree with you, but you apparently won't have it.

    Perhaps when you disagree you should not have then demand that I answer your questions. If you wanted to leave you should have just done it without leaving questions you then 'Demand' that I answer or else engage your anger that I refused to answer you.

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    You gave your word that if I answered one last question, that would be the end of our discussion on this subject, but you reneged.

    This is not true. Why on earth would I say that? I set a number of questions to you which you did not answer. You said you would answer them point by point – one point at a time IF I answered the questions you asked me that I did not answer (So much for trying to get away, eh!).
    I happily agreed and did answer but you continued to be vague and none of my questions were answered. It was YOU that reneged. It's all on the forum and I said so at the time, too.
    I then decided to move one and set ONE QUESTION which you were unable to provide an adequate answer and just grew bigger and bigger the more you struggled to answer.
    This resulted in the summary set out on the previous page.
    There was to be three questions:

    1) Jesus as Spirit and coming as man
    2) Jesus dying as man and his Spirit going up to God
    3) The Spiritual Body resurrection and the Spiritual Body transformation

    But we only managed to broach Question 1.

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    I simply have no interest in discussing the man-made belief of “bodiless spirit beings” with you.

    Interesting wording: '…with you'!!

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    There is no scripture that mentions any “bodiless spirit being”, so all of it is from man's imagination.  On the contrary, many scriptures not only mention the bodies of angels, but describe them to a “T”**.


    (**Your quote is provocative if you are meaning to end a relationship)

    If you believe symbolism to be factual (Like Jesus being a 'Lamb as if slaughtered – and – a man with a double edged sword for a tongue – and – a giant Angel (Is Jesus an Angel?, an ArchAngel, maybe?)

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    The rest of this questioning is nonsense in my eyes.

    Obvious question to be asked here – obvious answer from the same question.

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    But you post what you want, okay?  I have the power to ignore.

    Thank you – it is most gracious of you to allow me to post in this forum

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