Do spirits have bodies?

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 17 2010,14:28)
    All,
    Spirit does not have a Body but it does have a Form.

    To see this you need to think in the spirit, not as flesh. Flesh is body to retain its shape, or form…because it has a shape made of chemical elements it cannot move through other elements that may react adversely.
    A wall of bricks does not allow flesh to pass through as the brick elements are tighter packed than flesh.
    Water, the flesh can go through water because the flesh is tighter packed than water.
    The flesh cannot pass [slowly] through fire because the energy given out by the fire over energies the flesh elements and breaks their bonds and also causes adverse coalesing and radiating  of excessive energy from some of those elements (Burning).

    A Spirit is not composed of chemical elements, it is not 'water', it is not 'air' or wind…these are human comparisons, analogies (e.g. The wind blows where it wills)

    Spirit is like 'Thought'…with 'thought' you can be where you will, do as you will, be as you will.
    Jesus desired to be in the room with the Disciples, so he was…but it was in Spirit that his FORM entered there and he 'materialised a body' from the chemical elements, 'the Dust of the earth'.
    In the opposite way, he 'dematerialised' his body when he ascended into heaven, the disciples standing watching saw him go up and just 'dis-appear'.

    So, how can a Spirit just appear where where it will…? Simple,..because it is not bounded by the physical, distance, place or time…dimensions.

    I outlined this before…how many took any notice. Mike poo pooed it…

    A single dimension is a single line element.
    Two dimension is area, length and width.
    Three dimension is Cube, length, width, Depth.
    Four dimensions is Cube with time.
    Five dimensions is cube, time and place.
    Increase to understandable taste.

    In 1D, an element can only move along, left or right along the length of the dimension.
    2D, an element can move around a flat surface area, it has no concept of 'Up'…Stuart is one such element, a 'Flatlander' is the term used.
    3D, move left, right, up, down…float, jump, run, dive…

    but really none of the movements so far described are possible without a missing dimensional aspect, 'Time'.
    At any point in 'Time' the element can only be in one location, one position. Only with the passing of a 'tick' of time, a moment…can the element move from one positiin to another. Speed up the 'ticks' the moments and the element displays 'motion', movement.
    4D, see last statement…
    5D, …the same element can be in a single other place…at the same time..aka, Schroedinger's cat…
    See? back to the 'one dimension' line, single element in single place, now single element in multiple place.
    Now, expand, 6D, Multiple single elements in many places at many times….
    Choose any one of those places, your choice…and that is where you are…inside a room, under water, in a fire, on top of an exploding vulcano….because it is only your 'thought', your 'essence', your 'intelligence' that is there, there is nothing for the surrounding adverse environment that can affect you. A wall is no barrier, in fact, it's not even something you, as spirit, would even think about. You just decide where you want to be … And you are there.
    Then, if you so desire, you can 'make' a body (Angels can materialise humanlike bodies and fill it with their 'thought', their essence, their intelligence…and Power…which is Pure unfettered Energy, awesome raw energy) gather a physical elements, humans are only chemical elements fashioned in a precise manner, easily copied by intelligent spirit creatures. Note, only the body, not the spirit in the body….

    So, what is the body that encompasses a Spirit…only the level of dimension that they can rise to.

    In the upper dimensions a 'body' is an encumberance. You cannot move around with a body…that is why Jesus says, 'Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven'…Schroedinger's Cat does not exist in multiple places, only one, but it can be in any one place at ANY time…so it can..disappear, and reappear, at will.
    It cannot appear in time though, it cannot be dead today and alive tomorrow, it's still time linear…when it was a kitten, it was in the past…it cannot go back…

    Now, a higher dimension, 7D, that Spirit can be in any place, in any time, n many places at the same time, in ALL places at the same time, in ALL places, at ALL times, this is God's Dimension…hence…Omnipresent….
    When Jesus returns, it is said, 'Every eye will see him'.

    Now how is this possible, if he appears in Body? But, if he appears in Spirit, a Spirit Body, then he can be in all places on Earth at the same time, a lower dimension and visible to man, the Power of the Spirit body being evident to all on earth. The bounding of the spirit in an awesome worldwide body is not like a human bounded body for a human body is in an even lower dimension that is bounded by time, and place, to the 4d level.


    AJ

    you say many things but Paul say that there are spiritual body's is it this that you try to explain???

    Pierre

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     JustAskin 
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    Terra, you have become like a stone.
    Why do you think things are called 'Spirit', like Alcohol, like Marsh gas, like the Wind…what body does the Holy Spirit have…?

    Spirits are able to go where they will precisely because they do not have bodies…they are 'all invasive'.

    When they want to be seen they materialise physical bodies, from dust…or gas…Spirits are pure energy…and matter, physical matter, is compressed energy…what happens when you take a 'Large Hadron Collider' and put the smallest of elements into it…do you not get enough energy to power a lighthouse for a year? ok exaggerated.

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    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2010,15:43)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2010,15:13)
    What God has created has to be “outside” of God, or the creation would actually BE the Creator, right?  

    mike


    Hi Mike,

    How do you reconcile your words with Matt.10:29…
    Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing?
    and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    NIV Matt 10:29
    Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.

    Besides Ed, what are you saying? That the ground IS the Father? ???

    mike

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 17 2010,02:55)
    Mike…………Yes even that Spider you killed had spirit in it or it could not live, all life has spirit (a working intellect) in it. And it all comes from ONE GOD that is in ALL things.


    No Gene, the spider is not God. All things live because of the spirit God GAVE them. But that is not to say that all things are God.

    mike

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     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 17 2010,08:13)
    Hi Shimmer,

    I only posted this for 'Thomas Mike'. I wrote this all before but no one understands.


    I didn't read it. It looked too long, and your first sentence had you claiming something as fact that you can only guess about.

    I have no room in my brain for “the world according to JA”. Post scriptures that support what you say, and I will gladly read your long posts. :)

    Will you ignore 1 Cor 15 like you do Col 1:16?

    Please post some of 1 Cor 15 along with your reasons it is NOT saying spirits have bodies.

    Scriptures JA. Not your imagination. That's what will win out every time.

    mike

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    Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 17 2010,08:13)
    Mike struggles to see past the flesh and that is why he cannot understand the three different versions of 'Son of God' and why he thinks that Spirits can Procreate. Yet he cannot produce a single verse, nay, nit even a hint, from Scriptures of a 'Procreation by the Spirit'…why, simple, there is no such verse nor hint of such, because there is no such thing.


    You're right again JA.  Wow, how did you get to be so smart?

    What?  Wait a minute, God is talking to me.

    Oh, I was told to point out that angels are spirit, angels clearly PROCREATED with human women, and the Nephilim were the result of said PROCREATION.

    Sorry, you almost had me ready to take your imagination over the words of scripture. :)

    mike

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     mikeboll64 
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    JA:

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    Terra, you have become like a stone.
    Why do you think things are called 'Spirit', like Alcohol, like Marsh gas, like the Wind


    Now who's looking at things with eyes of flesh?

    JA:

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    When they want to be seen they materialise physical bodies,


    What scripture was that again?

    mike

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     mikeboll64 
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    Okay Everybody.  Pay attention please.

    Kerwin, you are NOT the being of God Almighty.
    Shimmer, you are NOT the being of God Almighty.
    JA, you are NOT the being of God Almighty.
    Gene, you are NOT the being of God Almighty.
    Ed J, you are NOT the being of God Almighty.
    t8, you are NOT the being of God Almighty.
    Pierre, you are NOT the being of God Almighty.
    Mikeboll, you are NOT the being of God Almighty.

    If we are NOT the being of God Almighty, then what is it that separates the being of God Almighty FROM us?  Or FROM everything else in existence for that matter? What is it that signifies “this section of space” is the being of God Almighty, but “the section of space that our bodies take up” is NOT God Almighty?

    mike

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 17 2010,02:55)
    Mike…………Yes even that Spider you killed had spirit in it or it could not live, all life has spirit (a working intellect) in it. And it all comes from ONE GOD that is in ALL things. There is not such thing as a SPIRIT BODY, there is SPIRIT (IN) BODIES, even Angels have bodies , the only thing that can live outside and  inside a body is GOD because GOD (IS) Spirit that composes ALL life.  Spirit is the working intelligence or power that drives all life from a one celled amoeba to a giant whale and life is produced and maintained by spirit, spirit is life. “The word i am telling you (ARE) Spirit and (ARE) Life”.

    The combining of Spirit in a Body (Matter) is a SOUL, A living beings rather man or animal no difference , just the amount and Kind of Spirit in it. IMO

    peace and love……………………………………gene


    Hi Gene,

    If your spirit and mind are the same thing, than
    how can you kill the 'ego' without the body dying?

    Please explain?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 17 2010,18:20)
    Terra, you have become like a stone.
    Why do you think things are called 'Spirit', like Alcohol, like Marsh gas, like the Wind…what body does the Holy Spirit have…?

    Spirits are able to go where they will precisely because they do not have bodies…they are 'all invasive'.

    When they want to be seen they materialise physical bodies, from dust…or gas…Spirits are pure energy…and matter, physical matter, is compressed energy…what happens when you take a 'Large Hadron Collider' and put the smallest of elements into it…do you not get enough energy to power a lighthouse for a year? ok exaggerated.


    JA

    i agree with you i have become like stone against the ones who do not say what is true,in scriptures;

    first ;the angels all of them do not fly without God consent,
    unless it is within there task to do so,God is a God of order not of disorder,just as men do on earth there liberty is controlled and free to chose just like men,but there choice came to a end at the sacrifice of Christ then they all were cast out from heaven ,and no more angels were ever allowed to be visible,the work to be done was now given to Christ apostles and there inspired written word ,

    you are going out of space to try to justify your knowledge of God?
    no this is Greek philosophy,

    do not fill the blanks with your own views to make believe that you know something more that what is written in scriptures because you do not.

    otherwise you would show scriptures ,no ???

    Pierre

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    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 16 2010,19:03)
    Just Askin,

    Scripture does not say heaven is an ethereal.  (1)What it does say is even one with corrupt flesh (2)may visit either in person or in vision, i.e. spirit.

    Please study 2 Corinthians 2 to 4 with me.

    In verses 2 to 3 we hear of a man who visits the third heaven.  (3)Paul, a man being carried along by the Spirit at the time, writes that he does not know if it was done physically or not.  (4)God thus informs us that a human being still in their corrupt flesh can visit heaven either in body or out.

    In verse 4 we are informed paradise is in the third heaven. (5)Who believes the Garden of Eden is ethereal.  (6)Do they also believe Adam and Eve were ethereal beings before their fall?


    Hi Kerwin,

    Thank you for asking my advice!
    First let me point out the obvious.
    You must be meaning 2Cor.12:2-4.

    2Cor.12:2-5 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
    (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body,
    I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third
    heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body,
    I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise,
    and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

    (5)Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.

    1) There is nothing to indicate the person flesh was corrupted?
    2) He may of had an out of body experience; many report have them.

    3) Many proclaim it was Paul that this happened to, but verse 5 discounts that notion.
    4) Where do you get this corrupt flesh stuff from? It was the mind that was corrupted. (Rom:8:6)

    5) This word 'ethereal' here means to be in a different location. The garden of Eden was said to be on Earth.
    6) Do you believe Adam and Eve were originally Created as hyper-dimensional beings?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2010,13:17)

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2010,15:43)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2010,15:13)
    What God has created has to be “outside” of God, or the creation would actually BE the Creator, right?  

    mike


    Hi Mike,

    How do you reconcile your words with Matt.10:29…
    Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing?
    and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    NIV Matt 10:29
    Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.

    Besides Ed, what are you saying?  That the ground IS the Father? ???

    mike


    Hi Mike,

    Life, my friend, life!   …Not the dirt!

    Could the verse be implying that the Father
    is resident in the animals as well as every else?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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     kerwin 
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    Mike Boll,

    I am not God but according to scripture I have my being within God. All of creation has its physical existence within God. I am at the same time spiritually separated from God by my sins. Jesus erases that separation by enabling me to make peace with God through living by the new covenant.

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    Ed J.,

    Anyone that has not been transformed to imperishable flesh has corrupt flesh.  I only know of a few that have been so transformed and they all have free access to all the heavens.  Dead souls have access to Sheol/Hades which is said to be located in the third heaven. Paul did not indicate he was speaking to the dead or to the transformed.

    He did clearly state it is possible to visit the third heaven while still in a corrupt body by indicting such was a possibility.

    I believe the Garden of Eden is a material place that God transferred to heaven between end of the Fall and the beginning of the Flood.  It therefore will not be located on earth.

    I do believe the spiritual realms are extradimentional and thus invisiable to us.

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 18 2010,00:55)
    Ed J.,

    Anyone that has not been transformed to imperishable flesh has corrupt flesh.  I only know of a few that have been so transformed and they all have free access to all the heavens.  Dead souls have access to Sheol/Hades which is said to be located in the third heaven. Paul did not indicate he was speaking to the dead or to the transformed.

    He did clearly state it is possible to visit the third heaven while still in a corrupt body by indicting such was a possibility.

    I believe the Garden of Eden is a material place that God transferred to heaven between end of the Fall and the beginning of the Flood.  It therefore will not be located on earth.  

    I do believe the spiritual realms are extradimentional and thus invisiable to us.


    Kerwin

    you believe many unscriptural things,if not show scriptures for those believes i certainly never have seen them in my bible

    Pierre

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