Death

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     NickHassan 
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    Quote (berean2005 @ June 17 2005,02:03)
    Matthew 10:28
    28Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

    In Revelation we hear of the 'Second Death', which is all about the final destruction of unrepentant sinners, after which there is no hope for restoration. The Second Death is permanent destruction. It is eternal destruction. Jesus, in the Gospels, says that men who die are sleeping. The first death is a sleep to Jesus, because God is going to resurrect all those who sleep in the dust of the earth back to life on the Resurrection Day.

    Jesus is saying here to be afraid of the Second Death. This is the death to fear. If someone kills you today, all they can do is make you suffer the first death. All they can do is put you to 'sleep'. All they can do is temporarily put you out. God will give you your life back at the Resurrection, and give you the gift of immortality if you have accepted Christ.

    However, if you have not accepted Christ, when you are raised back to life at the Resurrection, God will execute on you the Judgment of Gehenna. He will destroy not only your body, but your very life will be destroyed. God will not see you as sleeping, but will see you as 'no more'. Jesus is telling us in this verse that no man has the power to destroy your life forever, only God has the power to destroy your life forever. Therefore, fear the fearsome power of God's wrath.

    It is interesting to note here that the word 'soul' is translated from the Greek word “psuche” (psoo-khay'). In the King James Version, “psuche” is translated 'soul' 58 times, and 'life' 40 times. In the New American Standard Version, “psuche” is translated 'soul' 33 times, 'souls' 14 times, 'life' 36 times, and 'lives' 7 times. Therefore, this word, I think, based on the context of what Jesus is saying here in Matthew 10:28, may be better understood if it were translated as life, reading it:

    28Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the life. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both life and body in Gehenna.

    The point is that only God has the fearsome power of ending one's life forever.

    Matthew 16:25-26
    25For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, and whoever will lose his life for my sake will find it. 26For what will it profit a man, if he will gain the whole world, and forfeit his life? Or what will a man give in exchange for his life?

    What will a man have if his very LIFE is taken away from him? What will you have without your LIFE?

    God will take away the life of un-repentant sinners.

    The punishment for sin is death (yes, it REALLY is).

    In Jesus,

    Berean2005


    Hi,
    “Accepting Jesus”does not save anyone. What does the term mean? Does it mean to just recognise Jesus as Lord? Where did the apostles in Acts demonstrate this “form of salvation” for us?

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    This forum also relates to life and death. Ecclesiastes takes a very physical view of life, while true, and that perspective has limitations.

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     david 
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    Yes, Eccl 12:6 is a very beautiful poetic scripture.

    We are urged to remember our Creator “before the silver cord is removed, and the golden bowl gets crushed, and the jar at the spring is broken, and the waterwheel for the cistern has been crushed.” (Ecclesiastes 12:6)

    The “silver cord” may be the spinal cord. Death is certain when this marvelous pathway of impulses to the brain is irreparably damaged.

    The “golden bowl” may denote the brain, contained in the bowllike cranium, to which the spinal cord is attached. Golden for preciousness, the brain when broken down spells death.

    “The jar at the spring” is the heart, which receives the stream of blood and sends it out again for circulation through the body. At death, the heart becomes like a broken jar, shattered at the spring because it can no longer receive, contain, and pump out the blood vital for the body’s nourishment and refreshment.

    The ‘crushed waterwheel for the cistern’ ceases to turn, ending circulation of life-sustaining blood.

    The congregator added: “Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the spirit itself returns to the true God who gave it.” (Ecclesiastes 12:7)

    With the “waterwheel” crushed, the human body, originally made out of dust from the ground, returns to the dust. (Genesis 2:7; 3:19) The soul dies because the spirit, or life-force, given by God returns to and resides with our Creator.—Ezekiel 18:4, 20; James 2:26.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    You must gain the fountain leaping up to eternal life [Jn 4.13-14]before the access to the water in the well ceases for us individually.

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    A forum on death

    #12619
     malcolm ferris 
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    Death – in once sense must mean separation
    We were once dead in trespass and sin
    Separated from God and the life that is in God.
    Death in the flesh separates our spirit from the body.
    Yet death is only a change of geography from one place to another.
    When the born again believer dies he has another body – a spirit one, waiting…
    Then there is the final and ultimate separation, that which is irreversible, the 2nd death, which involves the annihilation of the soul – seems it takes a long time and is not a pleasant experience…

    #12623
     NickHassan 
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    Quote (malcolm ferris @ April 11 2006,01:20)
    Death  – in once sense must mean separation
    We were once dead in trespass and sin
    Separated from God and the life that is in God.
    Death in the flesh separates our spirit from the body.
    Yet death is only a change of geography from one place to another.
    When the born again believer dies he has another body – a spirit one, waiting…
    Then there is the final and ultimate separation, that which is irreversible, the 2nd death, which involves the annihilation of the soul – seems it takes a long time and is not a pleasant experience…


    Hi Malcolm,
    Gen 2.7 shows man in two dimensions,
    dust,
    and living beings,
    inner and outer man.
    Outer man dies and rots away and his spirit returns to God[eccl 12.7].
    The inner man sleeps in the earth till awoken to eternal life or the second and different death.

    #12624
     malcolm ferris 
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    Amen
    Like I say separation, at present when in our sinful state we were separate from God and all things pertaining to Him, the Kingdom.
    Rebirth lifted this death from us and now in the inner man, we are alive to God through Christ Jesus our Lord, no more separate.
    Yet death in the flesh does separate us from the body of flesh.
    And one glorious day, even our flesh will be quickened, changed from this mortal state to an immortal state, no more separation.
    And by the same token, those who even now are dead, separate from God in sin, are separated from the body (1st death – outer man, body) and will face a judgement to come and possible separation permanent – (2nd death – inner man, soul)
    The soul that sins shall die.
    For now the body dies, because the body is in sin through transgression in the garden…

    #12636
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Malcolm,
    In the Garden Adam chose obedience to the Serpent Satan over Obedience to God.
    Thus Satan was made our father and the god of this world.
    Thus we are all controlled by “the prince of the power of the air”,by “the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience”[Eph 2.2].

    Perhaps when Christ told the Pharisees their father was the devil he was speaking to all who are not in him?

    #14012
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Here is a thread on death.
    There is a first and a second death. We may avoid both if the Lord returns soon. Some will experience both, but we should at least hope to avoid the second , prepared for the devil and his angels..

    #14016
     malcolm ferris 
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    Perhaps when Christ told the Pharisees their father was the devil he was speaking to all who are not in him?

    They are not OF Him is what it says. How could it be IN Him? The disciples would have been included at that point then – as they were yet to be converted and did not receive the Holy Spirit till after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection.
    We are brought IN to Him by the life of the Holy Spirit, by one Spirit baptized into one body.
    That is how I understand it.

    #14020
     NickHassan 
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    Good point,
    The Word speaks to all generations, those who are not of him and those who are not in him included.

    But we are baptised INTO Christ by water too.

    “Baptism saves you..”1Peter 3
    Gal 3.27
    “For all of you who were baptised into Christ have clothed youself with Christ”
    Rom 6.4f
    “Therefore we have been buried with himthrough baptism into death;
    in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father,
    so too we might walk in newness of life..
    ..so consider youselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus”

    #14021
     malcolm ferris 
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    You cannot pin the entire work of salvation upon the act of baptism, any more than you can say that hearing the word saves.
    It is evident that hearing the word involves more than just a physical audio stimulation, it requiress understanding of the words.
    It is equally obvious that the act of getting wet, doesn't do much for you either unless you have first repented.
    For by grace we are save through faith, and that (faith) not of yourselves it is the gift of God. Not of works – lest any man should boast.
    Baptism is a work that is done in recognition and obedience of faith in what God did for us.
    Without the work of baptism – the claim of that work of redemption is futile, as it is only the obedient who are shown to be children.
    However baptism alone doesn't prove anything.

    #14022
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Malcolm,
    I do not disagree.The essential work of baptism is not a work of the baptised, but of the servant baptiser, following repentance and faith in God by the baptised.

    #20118
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Death is death of the body only as it is weak and vulnerable. Resurrection, as with Lazarus, reverses the process and reestablishes body function. Lazarus had been sleeping we are told by Jesus so we should believe the soul does not die at death.

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