Conception

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     Ed J 
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    Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 19 2012,09:32)
    Ed J,  In this we agree,  The Holy Spirit is God's own Spirit.  And we also agree that we are saved by the blood of God.

    Marlin


    Hi Marlin, the newer corrupted versions take out the blood. (Link)

    1 Peter 1:18-23 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
    as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
    19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
    20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
    21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
    22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another
    with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #283094
     NickHassan 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,16:11)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,06:24)
    Hi ED,
    You restrict yourself to one human choice of manuscripts.
    No manuscripts are perfect and we have no originals.


    No Nick, when questions arise, I go back to the original texts!

    Acts 20:28 προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο
    ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ κυρίου ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.

    Watch yourselves, and all those which the Holy Spirit put you as overseers to
    feed the flock of the LORD, the Church which he purchased by the blood itself.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi ED,
    ORIGINAL TEXTS is only ONE CHOICE of manuscripts.

    So it has no more guarantee than any other MANUSCRIPT choice

    #283096
     Ed J 
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    Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 06 2012,16:06)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,23:15)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2012,18:12)
    Hi Ed,
    God blood?
    These fantasies are drawn from your version?


    Hi Nick, who is the “HE” and “HIS” in this verse, Nick?  Are you an overseer of God?  Do you feed the flock?

    YOU don't have to believe the record of the bible if you don't want to, but I won't put mans ideas above God's!
    “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the HolySpirit (Acts 20:28)
    hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    Lamsa original Aramaic Bible:

    (Possibly the closest to the original Wording)

    Acts 20:28:

    Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the
    flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you
    overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he
    has purchased with his blood.


    Hi Simmer,

    Are YOU suggesting that the “AKJV Bible” makes(?) no sense to YOU?
    Or that corrupted versions that YOU agree with make more sense to YOU?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #283098
     shimmer 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,18:23)

    Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 06 2012,16:06)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,23:15)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2012,18:12)
    Hi Ed,
    God blood?
    These fantasies are drawn from your version?


    Hi Nick, who is the “HE” and “HIS” in this verse, Nick?  Are you an overseer of God?  Do you feed the flock?

    YOU don't have to believe the record of the bible if you don't want to, but I won't put mans ideas above God's!
    “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the HolySpirit (Acts 20:28)
    hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    Lamsa original Aramaic Bible:

    (Possibly the closest to the original Wording)

    Acts 20:28:

    Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the
    flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you
    overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he
    has purchased with his blood.


    Hi Simmer,

    Are YOU suggesting that the “AKJV Bible” makes(?) no sense to YOU?
    Or that corrupted versions that YOU agree with make more sense to YOU?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    EdJ,

    I use the RSV. But if I need to check something, I now go to the Lamsa.

    Quote:

    “Assyrian and Syrian Christians have always maintained that they hold the original New Testament, preserved in the Peshitta NT, as they call it, carefully copied since the days of the disciples.  They claim that the Greek manuscripts were translated from the Peshitta NT.  The Western Churches claim however, that it is the Aramaic not the Greek which is the translation.  

    http://sor.cua.edu/Bible/index.html

    The Syrian Orthodox Church believes that the Holy Bible, which comprises of the Old Testament and the New Testament, is the divine word of God. Its Fathers labored in translating the Holy Scriptures into Syriac since the very dawn of Christianity. These Syriac translations of the Bible are the oldest and most ancient in any language. Further, the Syriac New Testament is quite unique for it presents the teachings of our Lord in an Aramaic dialect (Syriac) which is akin and would have been mutually comprehensible with the Palestinian dialect of Aramaic in which Christ taught. Since the translation of the Bible into Syriac started as early as the first century, the Syriac version preserves the very ancient renditions of the original texts”.

    #283099
     NickHassan 
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    Hi ED,
    I realise that the NIV has a couple of additions -JESUS in Jn 12.41 for example- and I avoid it.
    But the AKJV MANUSCRIPT choices are of the MAJORITY TEXT which have no greater guarantee of accuracy than any other.
    I dislike the denigration of others as CORRUPTED when you cannot compare apples with apples.

    #283102
     Ed J 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2012,16:22)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,16:11)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,06:24)
    Hi ED,
    You restrict yourself to one human choice of manuscripts.
    No manuscripts are perfect and we have no originals.


    No Nick, when questions arise, I go back to the original texts!

    Acts 20:28 προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο
    ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ κυρίου ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.

    Watch yourselves, and all those which the Holy Spirit put you as overseers to
    feed the flock of the LORD, the Church which he purchased by the blood itself.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi ED,
    ORIGINAL TEXTS is only ONE CHOICE of manuscripts.

    So it has no more guarantee than any other MANUSCRIPT choice


    Hi Nick, watch the videos, you may learn something!

    Introduction: the “textus receptus” (the majority texts)

    The Jesuits

    The revised standard version

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #283103
     Ed J 
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    Flooding the English-speaking people with corrupted versions of the bible

    Corruption in the 'Codex Sinaiticvs' and 'Codex Vaticanvs'.

    The Nestle's text

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #283104
     Ed J 
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    The push for papal authority

    The emergent church movement

    An attempt to undermine the “AKJV Bible”

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #283105
     NickHassan 
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    Hi ED,
    I have no use for propaganda.
    Choices are choices made by men.

    #283106
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T,
    So Jesus was conceived and Mary was not a surrogate.
    Back to the drawing boards?

    #283107
     shimmer 
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    Hi Ed.

    Why didn't you just put a link to where you previously posted these?

    Were you trying to flood out my posts?

    #283109
     Ed J 
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    Hi Shimmer,

    I posted those videos for you to watch.
    Do you consider your posts to be
    above other posters posts?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #283110
     Ed J 
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    Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 06 2012,16:41)
    Hi Ed.

    Why didn't you just put a link to where you previously posted these?

    Were you trying to flood out my posts?


    Hi Shimmer,

    Video no.3 is about the revised standard version.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #283111
     Lightenup 
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    Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 06 2012,00:06)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,23:15)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2012,18:12)
    Hi Ed,
    God blood?
    These fantasies are drawn from your version?


    Hi Nick, who is the “HE” and “HIS” in this verse, Nick?  Are you an overseer of God?  Do you feed the flock?

    YOU don't have to believe the record of the bible if you don't want to, but I won't put mans ideas above God's!
    “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the HolySpirit (Acts 20:28)
    hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    Lamsa original Aramaic Bible:

    (Possibly the closest to the original Wording)

    Acts 20:28:

    Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the
    flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you
    overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he
    has purchased with his blood.


    If you look at the interlinear of the Aramaic text, the proper reading has 'God' in Acts 20:28.

    You can check that out yourself. Go here and click on 'Interlinear NT' and look at the word translated as 'God' in Acts 20:27. It is the same word that you find in Acts 20:28.

    http://aramaic-english.scripturetext.com/acts/20.htm

    Acts 20:27“For I have not declined to show you the whole will of God.” 28“Pay attention to yourselves therefore, and to the whole flock in which The Spirit of Holiness has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the Church of God which he has purchased with his blood.”

    #283112
     Ed J 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,16:50)

    Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 06 2012,16:41)
    Hi Ed.

    Why didn't you just put a link to where you previously posted these?

    Were you trying to flood out my posts?


    Hi Shimmer,

    Video no.3 is about the revised standard version.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Shimmer,

    As far as I know, posting videos is not against the rules.
    Perhaps you should petition T8 to only allow links?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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