Before Abraham I AM

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Tc.

    You say that Christ was anointed to be the Saviour before he was born.

    Then you quote prophetic words in support of this idea?

    The man Jesus was MADE both Lord and Christ.

    Acts 2.36

    Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,

    both Lord and CHRIST.

     

    He was not a man before he was conceived. He was not called Jesus till after his birth. He was not anointed till the Jordan.

    Do you not accept the prophetic word speaks of the future?

     

    #832298
     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    You say

    ‘ Paul dies daily to his human heart and spirit within his mind.’

    Scripture does not say the human heart and spirit is in the mind. You do.

    ‘If any man wants to be my disciple let him deny himself, take up his cross daily and follow me.’

    ’I must decrease. He must increase’

     

    The spirit of man gives him life and returns to God at death.

    The body rots but the salvation of the soul is the plan.

    The carnal mind must be spiritually renewed .

    The seed of the word does the work.

     

    #832322
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Nick:

     

    You wrote:

    The prophets were already alive in the anointing spirit before their deaths. 1 Peter 1:11

     

    Me: True.

     

    Nick

    They need to be anointed again?

     

    Me: No. I can’t figure out where I said anything like that. Could you quote me; please include the date and page number. The same holy spirit in the reference prophets in 1 Peter 1:11 was always in all the saints and prophets. It is called the spirit of Christ when referring to the holy spirit in Christ, and Christ in the holy spirit.  But it is the same holy spirit.

     

    John 10:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me…20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

     

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    The holy spirit is the conduit that joins everyone’s minds together.

     

    1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ (holy spirit) which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

    #832327
     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    In post 4832067 on 6 July you said that the prophets of old were baptised in the Spirit after the resurrection of Christ.

    Do the anointed need anointing and is is written?

    In another post you said the souls of the saved were in heaven.

    The only mention of souls in heaven is in revelation when souls are said to be under the altar.

    It is a popular misconception that anyone goes to the habitation of God and His son before the judgement.

    #832349
     GeneBalthrop 
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    TC….go to ‘truth-or-tradition “, look up what JODI wrote there, and see what you think.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #832709
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Nick,

    Hi Nick,

     

    You wrote:

    ‘ Paul dies daily to his human heart and spirit within his mind.’

    Scripture does not say the human heart and spirit is in the mind. You do.

    ‘If any man wants to be my disciple let him deny himself, take up his cross daily and follow me.’

    ’I must decrease. He must increase’

     

    Me: Scripture shows that the spirit is in the mind and heart of man.

    Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;…23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

    In the end, there is only one spirit. And that spirit is in our minds.

     

    Young’s Literal Translation
    Romans 8:6 for the mind of the flesh is death, and the mind of the Spirit — life and peace…27 and He who is searching the hearts (Heb 4:12)—Christ) hath known what is the mind of the Spirit, because according to God he doth intercede for saints.

     

    Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

     

     

    Me: Those that have been born of the spirit have two minds, their old fleshly mind and their new spirit mind. They have two spirits, the spirit of their old man and the holy spirit in their spirit minds.  Those not born of the spirit are spiritually dead (Matt 8:22, Luke 9:6). They have neither a spirit mind nor the holy spirit in them.

     

    Luke 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows

    Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

    1 Cor 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain (seed), it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain (G 2848: seed):

    http://biblehub.com/greek/2848.htm

     

     

    Me:

    Luke 12:7 and Luke 21:18 say our whole bodies shall be preserved. But 1 Cr 15:36 say our old bodies die.

     Rev 21:5 And he who sits on the throne said “behold I am making all things new, …  

    2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are (3928: passing) away; behold, all things are (G 1096: becoming) new.

     

    Me:

    Therefore our new bodies and minds are holy images of our old bodies and minds. We are to be made in the spiritual image of God. That image is the resurrected and glorified Christ (Col 1:15).

     

    The mind of the spirit has the holy spirit in it. Likewise, the mind of the flesh has the spirit of the flesh in it. There are two minds and two spirits among in each brethren.

     

    Gal 5:17 For the flesh (sets its desire) against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

    http://biblehub.com/lexicon/galatians/5-17.htm

    Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

     

    Me:

    We can follow the spirit or we can follow the flesh. How can we often follow the flesh and sin if we have crucified the flesh? Non Christians do not have this option. Whenever we follow the spirit we have crucified the flesh. We become more and more like Christ and less and less like our old man. Our human spirits are still in our human minds. It is this spirit that keeps the flesh alive.

     

    John 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

     

    Col 3:2 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God,

     

    Me:

    Eph 4:4 (YLT) and to put on the new man (mind of Christ), which, according to God, was created in righteousness and kindness of the truth.

    A new heart and a new spirit will I put in you.

     

    Job 34:14-15…If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; (All) flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

     

     

    Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

     

    John 6:63 … the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

     

    Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God…16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

     

    Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are

    Heb 4:12 for the reckoning of God is living, and working, and sharp above every two-edged sword, and piercing unto the dividing asunder both of soul and spirit, of joints also and marrow, and a discerner of thoughts and intents of the heart; the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit (holy spirit) itself beareth witness with our spirit (flesh), that we are the children of God:

    Me: We have crucified the fleshly mind, do not follow it. We cannot sin in our spirit minds.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    #832710
     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    There is nothing automatic about the transformation of the heart and mind in those who are reborn of the Spirit.

    The land of Canaan was given to the Israelites but they had to fight for every square inch.

    So too with the rebellious mind of man which imagines it knows stuff.

    Only daily submission to the Word can enable the light.

     

    Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God, but many are stillborn.

    #832712
     Truthcomber 
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    True

    #832717
     GeneBalthrop 
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    TC…You are right the Spirit is in our minds, and does guide our thoughts, and reaveals the truth to us in our minds, it give us the intellectual capacity to “know” the truth when we hear it.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #832741
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Gene,

    Glad you liked it

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