June 13, 2000 at 5:58 am #782191
Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of the word ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity Doctrine
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity Doctrine
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity Doctrine
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion.
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources
Here is a simple and effective test you can do that clearly shows that the Trinity is a false doctrine.
Try replacing the word ‘God’ in any of the 100 verses below (or any other verse) with the word ‘Trinity’ (or Father, Son, Holy Spirit). E.g. John 3:16
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Becomes: “For THE TRINITY so loved the world that THE TRINITY gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
And if you think Jesus is God and the creator, then also try replacing each instance of God with Jesus. So now you have: “For JESUS so loved the world that JESUS gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Above we can see that if God were truly a Trinity or if Jesus were God, then Jesus has to be the son of the Trinity which doesn’t make sense or Jesus has a son. So clearly the biblical writers did not see God or Jesus in the same light that many do today.
Try some of the verses below and see how the Trinity Doctrine breaks the true meaning of all these verses:
1 Corinthians 1:3
1 Corinthians 1:9
1 Corinthians 1:30
1 Corinthians 8:6
1 Corinthians 15:57
2 Corinthians 1:2
2 Corinthians 1:3
2 Corinthians 11:31
2 Corinthians 13:14
1 Thessalonians 1:1
1 Thessalonians 1:3
1 Thessalonians 3:11
1 Thessalonians 3:13
1 Thessalonians 4:14
1 Thessalonians 5:9
2 Thessalonians 1:1
2 Thessalonians 1:2
2 Thessalonians 1:12
2 Thessalonians 2:16
1 Timothy 1:1
1 Timothy 1:2
1 Timothy 2:5
1 Timothy 5:21
1 Timothy 6:3
2 Timothy 1:1
2 Timothy 1:2
2 Timothy 4:1
1 Peter 1:2
1 Peter 2:5
2 Peter 1:1
2 Peter 1:2
1 John 5:1*
1 John 5:20
2 John 1:3
Revelation 14:12August 7, 2013 at 1:02 pm #782192David Jones
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What would take care of all those verses is John the word became flesh and dwelt among us . Yall act like God isnt the God of god s and he cant make of himself a man. Another in Isaih it calls Jesus the everlasting Father why would it do that if supposedly there is only one Father and If you translate the Word God in the Hebrew where it says Mighty God Isaih 9:6 Where it calls Jesus the MIghty God it is the same reference number to the Word God in Isaih 12:2 when it is refering to Jehovah God.August 7, 2013 at 1:10 pm #782193AdminKeymaster
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The answer to your questions are here:
Ab is the word here. It also applies to Abraham. Suffice to say for now that Abraham was a father and Jesus was greater than Abraham. A sort of everlasting Abraham if you will.
Jesus said, “ye are gods”. He quoted, from the OT, “ye are gods, ye are all sons of the Most High God”.
God/theos/elohim can apply not only to the Father, but Jesus and/or the counsel of God, angels, and even Satan as the god of this age.August 15, 2013 at 4:51 am #782194Pete444Member
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Try translating Is 9:6 again from the Hebrew without using any commas because we all know that they didn’t have commas in ancient Hebrew.March 24, 2014 at 4:46 pm #782195Bernard Kirembu
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Jesus explains in John 7:16-17, 20:17-18, “My teaching comes from Him who sent me. Go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God’. Who ever was kind to the least fortunate was kind to me.”September 26, 2016 at 4:53 am #817344JaelParticipant
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Can someone explain what this means?
To a trinitarian it appears to mean that Jesus is God… How is this derived?
And yet, to another, Jess IS the Father (…’there can be only one Father…’)
But no one says anything of ‘I and the Father are one…. If you see me you see he father…!’ as meaning that Jesus IS the Father. YET they will quote Thomas as saying ‘My Lord and my God’ as Jesus being BOTH Lord, as Man, and God as …God!
‘…if you see me (Lord) then you see the father (God) also!’
A man has a son who in physical and behavioural terms is (as much as possible in manner) exactly the same as the father. When the son speaks it is the same words the Father would speak; in his actions it is the same as the Father would do… He learnt obedience to the Father and willingly gave way to his own will.
Is this son THE FATHER? But if he LEARNT then how is he ‘GOD’? Does scriptures anywhere show that God learnt… Yet scriptures says Jesus learnt and could only do what the Father did (note the ‘Only’) and could only say what the Father TAUGHT HIM TO SAY.
Trinity says it was his flesh person that learnt… Yet Jesus was GOD all the time – so how did GOD not know things ? Trinity says he willingly didn’t know…
– Who will sit at my left and right hsnd
– when will he return
– Who touched his garment
– why didn’t Jesus know there weren’t any figs on the tree (it wasn’t fruiting time!!!!!) – did the tree have the ability to defy God?
– Why did Jesus pray for the Holy Spirit before he acted – in fact, pray to the father FOR the Holy Spirit: holy spirit whom trinity say is another God person… Why not pray TO the Holy Spirit – or at all – because they are, trinity says, totally and absolutely THE SAME in essence and power and authority? Jesus-God needed HELP to do what only God could do?
Has anyone noticed who trinity says created the world?
– First it’s GOD
– next its jesus
– then it’s he father
– further it’s the Father THROUGH jesus
– So which (who) was it? Ah says trinity, it was ALL OF THEM… Hold on, a fallceious scripture says that Jesus created BY HIMSELF FOR HIMSELF THROUGH HIMSELF… And that God did it BY HIMSELF… And that it was the FATHER who created all things FOR THE SON….
So if the father created it FOR the son how did the son create it BY HIMSELF FOR HIMSELF?
Indeed it was GIFTED TO THE SON as a reward for a mighty deed – the mightiest deed. Further in fact : it was INITIALLY in the hands of [the Angel known as] Satan: ‘It is mine to give to whom I will… I will give it to YOU (Jesus) if you bow down and worship me!’ (Digression: ‘Bow down AND worship’… Bowing down alone is NOT worshipping….!)
If Jesus created all things how comes Satan wants Jesus to forsway the coming horrorifics and death in order to obtain it ?
But, if the Father created it, put it in stewardship to an angel who at first was worthy to do so and to hand it over at a later stage to HIM WHO PROVED HIMSELF A WORTHY SON to the Father… Now THAT MAKES SENSE.
‘everlasting Father!’ Those who are to inherit life – EVERLASTING LIFE – in the kingdom of Jesus Christ will be given EVERLASTING LIFE by Jesus at the resurrection. Thus: Jesus Christ is EVERLASTING Father to them: ‘Father’ means ‘He who gives LIFE’
The prophecy in Isaiah is a future act. WIIL BE CALLED… Trinitarians try to hijack the title as a present title – yet rather childishly don’t seem to see that they are claiming that Jesus IS THE FATHER – which they adamantly refute when shown their error.
You can’t beat a trinitarian… You can only hope and pray that while never admitting they are wrong they will think a little before using that or any particular truth against them that you show them!
Dont overly try to beat them angrily – Satan will use your anger against you – weep for their souls. They will laugh at you thinking you lost but really it’s a sad victory for you in Christ!September 26, 2016 at 11:54 am #817346terrariccaParticipant
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anyone that follows man’s views should be left alone after 3 or 4 try to show him the truth in scriptures ,
were the real problem start is when ignorant people try to persuade another ignorant of his own ignoranceOctober 6, 2016 at 11:44 am #817385
Ha ha. Good point terraricca.October 24, 2016 at 3:47 am #817619
Good post Jael.
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