Atheists- free thinkers or free from thinking? (Page 2)

Everything from nothing

When you say that something can come from nothing, then surely you have a screw loose somewhere. If nothing could create something, then it wouldn’t be nothing by the very definition of that word. Simple as that. Nothing cannot create or produce something.

Start with the number zero and try and arrive at another number. If you add in another number like 2, then you have introduced the prime mover which is something. But if all you had was zero, then you will end with zero. Likewise, if there was nothing before the universe, then there would be nothing now. But there is something. It is called the Universe and consciousness. So the universe and consciousness had a prime mover. Both are proofs of God. God is an eternal conscious being who creates. God is not only known by faith, but his existence is demanded logically.

However, many hate the idea of God, so they prefer to believe that everything came solely from nothing. In this they deny God and they also deny reason. When they can demonstrate how to get another number from zero and using zero alone, then I will listen.

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    HI WILSON

    yes ,as you say it is God’s truth ,but everything still relative to us human,because we are not the source of God’s truth ,and so it is related to our understanding of God and this through his scriptures ,but I do not believe in the trinity at all ,and so believe that Christ his a created being ,the very first of creation ,the only begotten son of God the father ,

    as you can see you believe in the trinity and so our understanding becomes relative to the scriptures that we allow our mind to imprint with it ;but only one can be true ;because there is no such thing as two truths with God

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    I alway wander at the laws tha God as put in place while he created all things ,

    question on earth how many wild live do we need ? how many birds do we need ??

    and how many sorts of insects and quantity do we need ??

    and how many humans can there be on earth ???

    and how much water salt and soft do we need ???

    and at what point was the equilibrium of all those thing was broken in a way that we now have to suffer the consequences of our doings ,

    now since creation start with God end, but destruction start from man’s end ,how far can it go in God’s direction before it all falls on our heads ???

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    Hi t8,
    I too have no training in Physics beyond high school.

    I saw the video partially. Will try to see it later when I get the time. But from what I saw I think he was trying to put Joshua’s conquest at around 700BC. Or did I get it wrong. But Joshua lived before 1000BC. I had heard about the 360 day calender. I always thought a better explanation could be Uzziah’s earthquake or Hezekiah’s shadow moving backwards incident.

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    I too don’t believe in the trinity, but still believe that Jesus is God’s only begotten son. I recall reading t8’s belief that Jesus is begotton and not created. I think this belief is necessary for salvation. I thought you too were the same.

    I have a feeling (though not explicitly supported by scripture – but not opposed by it either) that God made the system of father-son in this world so that man can have a taste, even though a faint one, of the relationship God has with Jesus. So that he can show man an faint example.

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    Yes that is where I stand on the issue because scripture is clear that creation is defined as that which comes from God and through his son Jesus Christ. Obviously the son did not come through the son, hence why he is called the only begotten of the Father. Thus he is different to all else, even if we are going to be LIKE him.

    For this reason, he stands above all else, except the Father of course. And logically speaking the son who came from God must consist of the very nature of God and this is why we read that he existed in the form of God.

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    wilsun

    yes ,Christ /the WORD /the only begotten son/ are a true expression of who his the son ;the first and only direct creation of God ,that came down from heaven to save men from his sins and the curse of Adam sin (dead)it could not be any other way ,for the only reason scriptures says
    PS 49:7 No man can by any means redeem his brother
    Or give to God a ransom for him—
    the Christ had to be from outside the earth ,

    the true reason to bring forth the name in which we can address God has Father gives the true feeling of how we should perceive our creator ,HAS A VERY CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER THAT WE CAN LOVE WITH ALL OUR HEART,

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    The Signs of God’s Existence – Documentary [Full Length]

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    The Son is the Word that proceeds from God’s mouth. In the instant God chose to speak to express who he was, at that point the Word existed and we could know God and who he is from that Word. Now I would say the Word did have a beginning seeing as Christ is the “power of God, and the wisdom of God”. 1Cor 1:24 And knowing Christ is the wisdom of God we can then read in Proverbs 8:12-36 that wisdom had a beginning. And the similarities of this passage of wisdom to Christ are undeniable, from how God created through wisdom/christ and how God delighted in him to how it says of wisdom “whoso findeth me findeth life”.

    Now Christ exists in the form of God because he shows God. That is why the Christ is the image of God, because it is through God’s Word that we may know Him. That is also how the Son is the only begotten Son. Whereas, all creation was created through the Word of God, the Word of God proceeded directly from God by His own will and His own means being outside of creation and God’s first act. In hebrews 1:3 it calls Christ the “image of His substance”. God is a spirit and the author or mind and the Word brings this mind to light by relaying His thoughts to us in a way we can, somewhat, comprehend.

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    The Son is the Word that proceeds from God’s mouth. In the instant God chose to speak to express who he was, at that point the Word existed and we could know God and who he is from that Word. Now I would say the Word did have a beginning seeing as Christ is the “power of God, and the wisdom of God”. 1Cor 1:24 And knowing Christ is the wisdom of God we can then read in Proverbs 8:12-36 that wisdom had a beginning. And the similarities of this passage of wisdom to Christ are undeniable, from how God created through wisdom/christ and how God delighted in him to how it says of wisdom “whoso findeth me findeth life”.
    Now Christ exists in the form of God because he shows God. That is why the Christ is the image of God, because it is through God’s Word that we may know Him. That is also how the Son is the only begotten Son. Whereas, all creation was created through the Word of God, the Word of God proceeded directly from God by His own will and His own means being outside of creation and God’s first act. In hebrews 1:3 it calls Christ the “image of His substance”. God is a spirit and the author or mind and the Word brings this mind to light by relaying His thoughts to us in a way we can, somewhat, comprehend.

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    Some good points in there Anastas.

    🙂

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    The universe either formed because of intelligence and design, or non-intelligence which itself is either something non-living but eternal or nothing at all. If it was nothing, then there would be nothing now. If nothing can do something, then it was something all along. The something has to be eternal, otherwise it was preceded by nothing. The eternal something has to have the ingredients of the universe it spawned such as the source of law, life, intelligence, and energy, Otherwise these ingredients came from nothing which we know is impossible by its very definition. That leaves us with an eternal something that gives laws, has the seed of life, has intelligence, and the ability to design using energy etc. I don’t know about you, but this is starting to sound like God to me.

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