Are there two Spirits or One?

The Holy Spirit is a spirit, but is the Father also a spirit?

Well we know that the Father is God and God is spirit. The Father is the Father of all spirits and life. The Father is also the father of our Lord Jesus Christ? But the gospels tell us that the Holy Spirit came upon Mary and because of this, the child was to be called the Son of God. So who is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Father or the Holy Spirit?

Luke 1:35
The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

The answer is that both are the father if the Trinity Doctrine is to be believed. However, I will demonstrate that the Spirit of God is the Father’s own spirit and is not another person as many believe.

1 Peter 1:14-16
Be obedient to God, and do not allow your lives to be shaped by those desires you had when you were still ignorant. Instead, be holy in all that you do, just as God who called you is holy.  The scripture says, “Be holy because I am holy.”

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

So God is holy and God is a spirit, thus he can be described as a holy spirit. However, we are also taught that there is one spirit, so God is more correctly called ‘the Holy Spirit’, not as one holy spirit among two or many. If the Trinity Doctrine were true, then there would be two Spirits, the Father and the Holy Spirit. But scripture tells us there is but one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Further, scripture clearly says that “The LORD is the Spirit”, thus the Father who is God is the Spirit. Most agree that the Father is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit took part in his conception with Mary. If the Holy Spirit was another person, then Jesus would have two fathers, the Father and the Holy Spirit. That is if the Trinity Doctrine was a true doctrine.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Also, if God is Spirit and he imparts his spirit into redeemed vessels, and if he will eventually be in all and through all, then that would suggest that God the Father will inhabit all by his own spirit. And we know he is the God of the living not the dead, so his spirit is life and the source of all life for his creation and also for his son. So creation is not inhabited by two spirits but one, that is God’s own spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:28
When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Luke 20:38
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”

John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing.

Finally, we are taught in scripture that he is the Father of spirits.

Hebrews 12:9
Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live!

For me I think of this in this way.

Q: Who is God?
A: The Father?

Q: What is God?
A: He is spirit

God is the Father and God is the Holy Spirit. This is not two persons but two aspects of the same God. While God is in heaven, he can inhabit all creation by his own spirit. Just as the sun is located in the centre of the Solar System, its rays shine out to all the Solar System.  Similarly, our Heavenly Father can inhabit all creation by his spirit. However as an aside, God’s own creation is not even big enough to contain him. He exists outside the cosmos too.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

1 Kings 8:27
“But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!

So God the Father can inhabit his creation by his own spirit.

This also makes sense when we read the following:

Matthew 12:32
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. 

It is worse to speak against the Spirit than it is against the Son. This demonstrates to us that God is above the son and even his Spirit is above his son because the Spirit of God is God and the son of God is the Son and we know that the head of Christ is God in the same way that the head of man is Christ.

 

Tags:

This topic contains 239 replies, has 11 voices, and was last updated by Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 1 year ago.

  • Author
    Posts
  • #800537
    Profile photo of t8 t8 
    Participant
    • Topics started 839
    • Total replies 17,275

    “Basic logic is this,

    “If we accept God has a son, that means God is the Father.”
    &
    “If the Holy Spirit fathered Jesus, then the Holy Spirit is the Father’s own spirit.”

     

    #800546
    Profile photo of t8 t8 
    Participant
    • Topics started 839
    • Total replies 17,275

    Confusion is to make Jesus, God himself. Doing that makes him his own son. We should stick with simplicity in Christ.

    The wise of this world are foolish in the eyes of God and complicate things because they want to appear as masters of understanding while the rest are rightly confused. Simple truth that a child can understand is offensive to them. But Jesus said that to enter the Kingdom of God, we must become like little children. We must be humble.

    Jesus said the following important statement in John 17:3. Do you believe what he said?
    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    Thus, if you believe what Jesus said here, then you believe the opening line in this text. If you do not believe the opening line because you hold to the Trinity Doctrine, then neither do you believe what Jesus said in John 17:3

    #800599
    Profile photo of AndrewAD AndrewAD 
    Participant
    • Topics started 1
    • Total replies 741

    Too bad the author of St Johns prologue calls Jesus God as does the author of Hebrews,and Paul ends up worshiping Jesus as a god too.And even Matthew puts Jesus on Gods throne at the end.They all throw logic out the window,or just add to the fable. What a confusing pity it all is.

    #800600
    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
    Blocked
    • Topics started 284
    • Total replies 67,431

    Hi Andrew,

    Do you not know the God of Israel?

    God was IN CHRIST

    Was God in God?

    #800603
    Profile photo of AndrewAD AndrewAD 
    Participant
    • Topics started 1
    • Total replies 741

    Maybe God was in God or three persons as in Genesis when those “angels” called God visited and had a meal with humans.Does the God of Israel know the God of Christianity?

    #800604
    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
    Blocked
    • Topics started 284
    • Total replies 67,431

    Hi Andrew,

    Yes false Christianity has caused much confusion by her polytheistic doctrines.

    She has no relationship with the God of Israel.

    #800607
    Profile photo of t8 t8 
    Participant
    • Topics started 839
    • Total replies 17,275

    For us there is one God the Father.

    For others, there are multiple persons as God or multiple gods.

    As for God’s son, every tongue will confess him as Lord, to the glory of God his Father.

    Might as well start confessing the truth now.

    #800609
    Profile photo of AndrewAD AndrewAD 
    Participant
    • Topics started 1
    • Total replies 741

    Might as well? for what reason? for pure fear of the so called judgement? how sweet and gracious is that!

    #800614
    Profile photo of t8 t8 
    Participant
    • Topics started 839
    • Total replies 17,275

    For the purpose of willingly aligning with truth.

    Of those not willing, they will confess it eventually, not because they are prodded, but because by then it will be self-evident.

    #800615
    Profile photo of kerwin kerwin 
    Blocked
    • Topics started 144
    • Total replies 17,364

    AndrewAD,

    Too bad the author of St Johns prologue calls Jesus God as does the author of Hebrews,and Paul ends up worshiping Jesus as a god too.And even Matthew puts Jesus on Gods throne at the end.They all throw logic out the window,or just add to the fable. What a confusing pity it all is.

    Where, as I can not find these verses you speak of.

    #800616
    Profile photo of kerwin kerwin 
    Blocked
    • Topics started 144
    • Total replies 17,364

    AndrewAD,

    Because you hunger and thirst to be righteous as God is righteous. I assume you are knowledgeable of the B-Attitudes.

    #800617
    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
    Blocked
    • Topics started 284
    • Total replies 67,431

    Hi Andrew,

    If you search for confusion you will find it.

    And folks will queue up to lead you into deep darkness.

     

    But light and truth is also accessible.

    #800619
    Profile photo of AndrewAD AndrewAD 
    Participant
    • Topics started 1
    • Total replies 741

    Kerwin you can’t find these verses since you are unwilling to acknowledge them and Nick you are full of confusion but of course it’s all by the spirit which makes it all good.

    #800621
    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
    Blocked
    • Topics started 284
    • Total replies 67,431

    Hi Andrew,

    What do you find confusing?

     

    #800623
    Profile photo of t8 t8 
    Participant
    • Topics started 839
    • Total replies 17,275

    Jesus is worshipped as the son of God and the Lamb of God. The Father is worshipped as God.

    The text ‘The Throne of God and of the Lamb’ speaks of two. i.e., God and the Lamb.

    In English, something AND something means two. not one.

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 240 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

© 1999 - 2017 Heaven Net

or

Log in with your credentials

or    

Forgot your details?

or

Create Account