Are the sons of God the angels?

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    Profile photo of 942767 942767 
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    No, the sons of God are not angels in Genesis 6.  Angels are not able to procreate.

    And, God has never has said to anyone or any angels “Thou art my Son this day have I begotten thee.”  Angels are the sons of God but they are not begotten of God.  Men in the OT who were under the Law of God were not begotten of God, but they are called the sons of God.

    This person also explains away the virgin birth and believes that Jesus was born of the sperm of Joseph.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

     

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    Profile photo of kerwin kerwin 
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    @t8, @942767, and anyone else;
    He has Hebrews 1:5-7 incorrect.

    The title Son is about symbolism and not the body. Of course his argument is good against those that claim the angels were created from the body of God. It is also good against the same claim about the “form of God” being the form of angels when interpreting Philippians 2:7.

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    Kewrin, does the “form of God” in your opinion being the form of angels mean ‘spirit’?

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi 94,

    Why would you define the abilities of God’s angelic servants?

    The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    Nick, you missed the point completely. Perhaps the subject is a bit difficult. If so, feel free to discuss another topic that you fully understand. I will assist you with this one anyway.

    Genesis 6
    Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

    You said “The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.” I agree. But your reference in context with Genesis 6 would then assume that these sons of God did this because they were led by the Spirit of God. See that? I hope you now see your conundrum.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    The angelic sons of God are mentioned in Jb 38.7 and Ps 89.6

    The Romans 8 14-19 reference seems unlikely to relate in terms of context as it is about men.

    It seems that Jude 6 may align with the sons of Genesis 6?

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,

    We can also see from Jb 1.6f, Jb 2.1f. how our gracious and tolerant Father relates to the angelic sons.

    We know that not all of His angels are faithful to His rule and a third of them are cast from heaven. Rev 12.7 f

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    Profile photo of Jael Jael 
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    Yes, I believe that the sons of God are the holy angels of heaven, the spirit dwellers who God created to help oversee, and maintain by order, his creation.

    Satan is/was the greatest of these spirit sons and as such he demanded to be worshipped by creation just as almighty God is worshipped.

    Many many Christians are horrified at the idea that Satan was THE SPIRIT ruler over Almighty God’s creation because they always want to say that it was Jesus Christ…

    I’m amused (sorry!) to ask them what it was that Satan said to Jesus in the wilderness about this.

    Did Satan say, ‘All this (referring to creation) I will give to you if you bow down and worship me! IT IS MINE TO GIVE TO WHOM I WILL!’

    Again, scriptures tells us that in the new world will by no means be subject to the order of Angels.

    Cap this with Revelations: ‘They (the Elect) will rule as kings and priest with Christ over the earth (which is creation!)’

    What do you see in all that?

    Christians say, ‘We don’t believe Satan ruled anything!’. Yet they read Jesus christ’s own words ‘The ruler of the world is coming to his kingdom and he is angry…!’ and they still deny the truth… How sad are Christians who CHERRYPICK their belief!!

    Brothers, be not afraid of the truth. This world was subject to the rule by the spirit sons of God. God has seen that this is unsatisfactory as an eternal arrangement and is going to put in place a rulership by humankind led by Jesus Christ. Yes, Jesus will be ‘GOD OVER CREATION’…not ‘God over all’: Jesus will not be God over the heavenly spirit kingdom… How do Christians read the scriptures and not see this: God Almighty is GOD OF ALL GODS!! So though we may call this one ‘God’ and that one ‘Lord’, there is for me only ONE who is GOD and Lord OVER ALL who are so-called GODS and Lords: The Father.

    The holy sons of Almighty God rejoice!!

    The demon sons of Satan nash their teeth in fear!!

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi Jael,

    He was the greatest angelic son? Is it written?

    It seems more likely to be that earth was his appointed place. Jb1

    Jesus called him the prince of this world did he not?

    We know from Daniel that there are princes who rule areas.

     

    Our part is to help the Kingdom of God come to earth as it is in heaven.

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    Profile photo of Jael Jael 
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    Hi Nick, it is written in scriptures.

    It is also written that ‘It is taken away from the first and given to a second’.

    The Angel called Satan held a governing position as ruler over creation but only as a steward. It was always destined that a human would rise to become ruler and that was the privilege of Satan to do so: ‘It is mine to give to whom I will!’

    However, that privilege was removed from him after he sinned and was proved to be whom he became. After Jesus proved himself Satan was proved unviable as a holy Angel to all and was thrown down from the heavenly place: he was STILL in heaven until that point; ‘I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightening’, Jesus said, and ‘Woe to the world – Now the ruler of this world has come into his kingdom with much anger!’.

    Nick, can I suggest that the angelic ruler of the world would be an angel originally held in the highest esteem  by almighty God?

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi Jael,

    Thank you.

    Can you please show your scripture trail for these conclusions.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi Jael,

    Satan took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory saying he would give them to Jesus if Jesus fell down and worshiped him. He claimed dominion over earthly things and said he could give it to whomever he wished. Jesus did not correct him

    Lk 4. Mt 4

    He did not claim to be ruler over all creation.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi Jael,

    Why should tiny earth be rated as so important to God that a top Angel was put in charge?

    Job 1 suggests that Satan had heavenly access but not that he lived in heaven.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi Jael,

    Were you referring to Heb 10 when the Jewish sacrifices were replaced by the one sacrifice for sin in the death of Jesus Christ?

    That does not relate to the loss of earthly rule by Satan.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi Jael,

    Or were you referring to Matt 21 when the kingdom was taken away from the Jews and given to another people who will produce fruit.

    Satan is not directly involved here either.

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